Immaculate Conception of the Virgin Mary

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With all your snarkiness sanctus, you failed to rebuttle the fact that the original texts were translated incorrectly, it is only a small spelling difference, so it would be a reasonable mistake.

Of course Popes would negate the error, they have the most to lose. Use your head.

Besides you are correct that it was immaculate conception.

The Nibiruans came to earth to mine gold and to do this they needed labourers. The monkeys that were here could not readily handle tools so they spliced DNA from themselves with the monkeys, hence created in his own image. Then sent the masses forth to mine. The masses began to unite and this scared the Nibiruans so they created different religions to keep the peole at each others throats, so that they would not unite. Yes there was a Jesus, the Nibiruans artificialy impregnated Mary to start the Christian church to enslave but only part of the massess.
 

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With all your snarkiness sanctus, you failed to rebuttle the fact that the original texts were translated incorrectly, it is only a small spelling difference, so it would be a reasonable mistake.
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Didn't fail to rebuttle it at all. I dismissed it. The texts were translated correctly, of that I have not a doubt.
 

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We have bountiful crops here in all seasons - things I had never seen "growing" until I moved south....
Avocados and Figs were the first.... and nuts.... almonds, grapes galore..... and I wonder how many people have seen a newly picked Cauliflower with its leaf cover still intact - it is about two feet tall...before the leaves are cut back and the flower of vegetable exposed....

If people don't want to have their own little growing places in their yards the local farms sell produce at their driveway - some all week long - all year long depending on the crops - and it is wonderful being able to taste home grown things not picked too soon for shipping.

There are five different "regions" within California - so farther to the south or north or west there are different crops within a day's drive - which makes a nice outing if one doesn't mind the awful traffic...
not my idea of a relaxing time. Of course there are wine/cheese tasting rooms everywhere...which seems kinda of weird when people are driving.... nobody asked me tho.

My favorite is harvesting nuts.... they have tree shakers .... I thought we were having an earthquake once driving by an almond orchard.... they were shaking the nuts loose for picking off the ground....
All the trees were rockin and rollin....

Gonna look at your link now....


I would love such a place. You must realize how very fortunate you are! Which link, to the book or the site, or both?
 

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Didn't fail to rebuttle it at all. I dismissed it. The texts were translated correctly, of that I have not a doubt.
Prove they weren't translated incorrectly, you brainwashed OPINION is irrelevant. Of that I have no doubt.

btw, I'm still waiting for proof other then the church on anything you have stated. I can set up a religion and make all sorts of claims, and then back them up with only an opinion, but that does not make it true.

Facts make it true, show me the proof fake.
 

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Prove they weren't translated incorrectly, you brainwashed OPINION is irrelevant. Of that I have no doubt.

btw, I'm still waiting for proof other then the church on anything you have stated. I can set up a religion and make all sorts of claims, and then back them up with only an opinion, but that does not make it true.

Facts make it true, show me the proof fake.

Your insulting manner does not dissuade me from my beliefs. Further, it is of no concern to me personally if you believe me or not. Such proof as I would offer I assume, I think correctly, you would dismiss. So, to what point would the exercise be? If you wish to believe as you will, certainly nothing I can offer is going to change your mind. The fact remains, as easily as you dismiss my points, so too I dismiss yours. It would seem this is not at a helpful level of discussion for either of us any longer, seeing as you are now resorting to insults. Suffice it to say that I have little doubt that the Scriptural texts were translated correctly. You seem to think they were not. So be it.
 

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Your insulting manner does not dissuade me from my beliefs. Further, it is of no concern to me personally if you believe me or not. Such proof as I would offer I assume, I think correctly, you would dismiss. So, to what point would the exercise be? If you wish to believe as you will, certainly nothing I can offer is going to change your mind. The fact remains, as easily as you dismiss my points, so too I dismiss yours. It would seem this is not at a helpful level of discussion for either of us any longer, seeing as you are now resorting to insults. Suffice it to say that I have little doubt that the Scriptural texts were translated correctly. You seem to think they were not. So be it.
I do not think they were, they were.

It is a well known FACT.

But as a priest facts do not seem to matter when they question ones faith.

Like hushing the FACTS of preists altering boys.
 

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I do not think they were, they were.

It is a well known FACT.

But as a priest facts do not seem to matter when they question ones faith.

Like hushing the FACTS of preists altering boys.


I was waiting for you to bring that up. That is getting rather tired, don't you think? When-ever somebody can't think of a proper answer in a discussion on faith, they pull out their "trump card" of sexual abuse by the clergy, which by the way represents less than 4% of the clergy in the Church.

Again, you can "know" whatever you wish. You can hurl as many insults at me as you need to make you feel superior and all grown up.That is certainly up to you.

You claim it is a well known fact. I counter by suggesting it is not at all, since millions upon millions of Christians seem unaware of your "fact". Certainly the Pope is unaware of it. Perhaps you should send your data to the Vatican so we can all learn of your fact. As for me, I am finished with this fruitless discussion.
 

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The link you supplied in your post...http://www.publishamerica.com/shopping/shopdisplayproducts.asp?catalogid=8538

I tried accessing it - but could not. Perhaps you could PM the address again.
thx
 

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You claim it is a well known fact. I counter by suggesting it is not at all, since millions upon millions of Christians seem unaware of your "fact". Certainly the Pope is unaware of it. Perhaps you should send your data to the Vatican so we can all learn of your fact. As for me, I am finished with this fruitless discussion.
Are you that daft??????????

Of course the pope knows it, of course many memeber of your corrupt faith know it, will they accept it? HELL NO. It would ruin their faith and the ablity to indoctrinate others using lies.

It's not a trump card, it was proof that the church hides things from its followers as well as the public to continue spreading lies.
 

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Are you that daft??????????

Of course the pope knows it, of course many memeber of your corrupt faith know it, will they accept it? HELL NO. It would ruin their faith and the ablity to indoctrinate others using lies.

It's not a trump card, it was proof that the church hides things from its followers as well as the public to continue spreading lies.


If you say so.
 

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If you say so.
I said it before I'll say it again...

Great rebuttle, way to support the church, like most preists you are void of any logical or analytical thought, you just parrot the common tripe tought to you by someone else. So whenever you are confronted with anyone that will dig past what you have implanted in your head(where they find nothing), you clam up and go no further. Further proof the church and it preist are empty vessels of intolerance.
 

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I said it before I'll say it again...

Great rebuttle, way to support the church, like most preists you are void of any logical or analytical thought, you just parrot the common tripe tought to you by someone else. So whenever you are confronted with anyone that will dig past what you have implanted in your head(where they find nothing), you clam up and go no further. Further proof the church and it preist are empty vessels of intolerance.


If you say so
 

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Success!!! I was able to read your reviews - well done! You have a following.

I'll try to keep the questions down to a minimum ha! Curio
 

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Well sanctus, seeing as you have called into question, my knowledge of the church, specically stating that I do not know more then the Pope or other clerics. Perhaps you could challenge this with more then dismissal.

It is quite clear and to the point, containing all the facts anyone would need to prove its validity. So please prove the contrary.

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Now all this was done that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us (1:22-23 , KJV).​
Most good Christians take this at face value, assured that the prophet Isaiah did indeed describe Jesus' miraculous conception and birth seven hundred years before. But did he? Authorities are nearly unanimous. The answer is no.
What did Isaiah really say? Turning to Isaiah 7:14 (Masoretic text), we find his precise words:
Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, ha'almah shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.​
Matthew's interpretation of this passage has several problems, the largest hanging on the Hebrew word 'almah. Writing in Greek, the gospel author turned almah into parthenos , a word usually (but not always) meaning "virgin." In fact, he had a precedent for this; the Septuagint, a translation of the Old Testament used by Greek-speaking Jews of his day, did indeed use parthenos in the Isaiah passage. But the Septuagint was for the most part a notoriously sloppy translation, and its version of Isaiah was generally more error-ridden than the rest. By the Middle Ages, the Jews had abandoned the Septuagint, and later Greek translations, by Aquila, Theodotion, Lucien and others, did not use the word parthenos. (The Septuagint, commonly known as the LXX, is still favored by Eastern Orthodox churches.)
Assuredly, the Hebrew Old Testament predating the Septuagint used 'almah, so what did the word mean? While rare in the Hebrew Bible, almah does occur here and there, notably in Genesis 24:43 and Exodus 2:8 , but an examination of the contexts of these passages will show nothing to suggest that the noun imputed virginity.
On the other hand, a male youth in the Old Testament was called na'ar or elem, the feminine forms of which were na'arah and 'almah respectively. The limited usage of elem (lad or stripling) in the Old Testament nowhere implied sexual purity; thus an 'almah was an adolescent female, virgin or not, just as an elem was an adolescent male. In fact, one verse does seem to use 'almah in reference to a nonvirgin. This is Proverbs 30:19 , which listed four things too marvelous to understand: the way of an eagle in the air, the way of a serpent on a rock, the way of a ship in the sea, and the way of a man with a maiden ( 'almah). To say the least, "the way of a man with an 'almah" would certainly jeopardize a state of sexual purity, but more damaging than this rather obvious fact is the comparison that the writer went on to state: "Such is the way of an adulterous woman: she eats, wipes her mouth, and says, 'I have done no wrong'" (v:20 , NAB). It seems odd writer that the author would use 'almah to denote sexual purity and then compare it to the ongoing affairs of an adulterous woman. More likely the author's point was that all these things have one element in common: they do not leave much of a trace. Aside from this, the Torah does, in fact, have an explicit word for virgin (betulah or bethulah), which is always used where the context requires virginity. (For confirmation, see Genesis 24:16 , Leviticus 21:14 , and Deuteronomy 22:15-19 ). Even Isaiah used it in 62:5 . Its nonuse in the "Immanuel" passage is a rather loud hint that Isaiah spoke only of a young woman, not specifically of a virgin. "

Go on I dare ya.
 

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Torah does, in fact, have an explicit word for virgin (betulah or bethulah), which is always used where the context requires virginity. (For confirmation, see Genesis 24:16 , Leviticus 21:14 , and Deuteronomy 22:15-19 ). Even Isaiah used it in 62:5 . Its nonuse in the "Immanuel" passage is a rather loud hint that Isaiah spoke only of a young woman, not specifically of a virgin. "

Go on I dare ya.


Dare away. I have no intention what-so-ever of discussing this issue with you anymore. Believe as you will, supply as many revisionist texts as you like.For me, this conversation is over. Your overt hostility and outright rudeness has allowed me to see the futility of discussing anything with you. You are set on a pre-determined agenda that I am not interested in. Regardless of what you write, or what sources you supply, I believe fully in the teachings of the Church. I accept nothing outside of Church teaching of any relevance what-so-ever on this issue.

Feel free to call me names, to insult my intelligence, whatever makes you happy.
 

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Sanctus may I state that I enjoy your posts and the dialog you and Curio and Dex and other posters have on Religion and Philosophy topics please don't let those who aren't equal to your posts make you decide to leave. I might not speak in this forum but I enjoy reading it a great deal. :wave: Frankly you owe no one an explanation isn't this forums purpose to explore the issue you bring forth, keep em coming. OKAY.
 

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Sanctus may I state that I enjoy your posts and the dialog you and Curio and Dex and other posters have on Religion and Philosophy topics please don't let those who aren't equal to your posts make you decide to leave. I might not speak in this forum but I enjoy reading it a great deal. :wave: Frankly you owe no one an explanation isn't this forums purpose to explore the issue you bring forth, keep em coming. OKAY.


Thank you. That was very kind of you! I did contact the admin to see how to leave this site. I am very disturbed with the idea that I may be upsetting some people with my comments. I am certain I have been disruptive and thought to leave in order to not disrupt the harmony of this forum. You do not know how much i appreciate your comments! Thank you again!!!