If you can only pick one would it be religous rights or human rights and why?

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Not quite true. Slavery, anti-homosexual laws, Lord's Day acts, prohibition, blasphemy laws, religious discrimination practices, and so on, have been eliminated by the secular not by religion in Western jurisdictions.



None in Canada. Fundamentalist Christians in the US.
Don't forget redneck country the bible belt of Canada
 

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Not quite true. Slavery, anti-homosexual laws, Lord's Day acts, prohibition, blasphemy laws, religious discrimination practices, and so on, have been eliminated by the secular not by religion in Western jurisdictions.

I believe that it is reasonable to assess these changes in the notion that the theological elements have grown and evolved with that of society
 

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I believe that it is reasonable to assess these changes in the notion that the theological elements have grown and evolved with that of society

Yep, theology has discarded many egregiously false doctrines thanks to the enlightened secularist. Several more to go.
 

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The enlightened secularist?

Sounds to me that this is justification of pushing a secularist agenda onto society whether it likes it or not.

So much for freedom of choice, eh?


More freedom, than freedom of choice. I can't choose to have indentured servants or slaves.
 

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More freedom, than freedom of choice.

Your individual opinion may not be that of other folks.

In the end, your rights end at the very point where mine begin

I can't choose to have indentured servants or slaves.

I can't choose to opt for a rite to sacrifice a virgin by virtue of cutting out her still-beating heart... What's your point?
 

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Vaccum salesman? The last time I've seen one of them was when I was putting my milk bottles on the front step.
 

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It's pretty closed minded to assume that someone's faith is based exclusively on attending Church.

Facts are facts in this case Spade.

You're right, a quarter of church-attending Catholics are agnostics, References upon request.

Vaccum salesman? The last time I've seen one of them was when I was putting my milk bottles on the front step.

You must be living in an upscale neighbourhood.
 

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You don't get it, do you?

Just because you supply your own individual definitions and interpretation does not make it fact.

Check out the census info, the respondents (voluntarily) identify themselves in the manner in which they believe. That's all that matters, not your unique version of how you believe these folks should interact with their religion, Church, etc
 

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You don't get it, do you?

Just because you supply your own individual definitions and interpretation does not make it fact.

Check out the census info, the respondents (voluntarily) identify themselves in the manner in which they believe. That's all that matters, not your unique version of how you believe these folks should interact with their religion, Church, etc

Self-identification on a census does not indicate belief as much as "Christ, I gotta put something down. Hey, mum!'
 

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Sorry, have to go. There are a gentleman in a suit and a lady in a black dress knocking on my door. Wonder if it's UPS?
 

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Sorry, have to go. There are a gentleman in a suit and a lady in a black dress knocking on my door. Wonder if it's UPS?
with those clothes it could even be a pimp and a hooker....8O

check for a bible first though, maybe they have come to warn you of the end of the world
 

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I'm back. They were Austro-Hungarian Empire Loyalists collecting empties for their trip down East. Gave them all my milk cartons. Funny, I haven't heard of that group before. Well, hell; what do I know?