If they hate us so much, why don't they leave?

Just the Facts

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earth_as_one said:
I have an idea. Since Israel has created almost 5 million Palestinians refugees, lets invit them to Canada? First they could mix in with the rest of us and then when they are strong enough and well supported by foreigners, we could let them have 14% of Canada, that's not so much to ask is it? The Problem would be the selfish Canadians would want it all.

No, that's what would happen if we invited the Israeli's here. They would take their 14% and live in peace by our side in perpetuity. They would turn the 14% into the highest GDP producing area per capita in North America, and become a valuable ally and trading partner to the rest of us. If we invited the Palestinians here, they would immediately demand 86% of Canada, which we would promptly give them in exchange for peace. Immediately upon receiving the 86%, they would declare the remaining 14% as occupied territory, and begin bombing our women and children as a sign of "resistance".

I'm glad you at least acknowledge that the conflict is not about a state for Palestinians, but about a state for Jews, or more precisely, the elimination of a state for Jews.

For the record, I do, and always have, supported a state for Palestinians.
 

Logic 7

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Re: RE: If they hate us so mu

Just the Facts said:
earth_as_one said:
I have an idea. Since Israel has created almost 5 million Palestinians refugees, lets invit them to Canada? First they could mix in with the rest of us and then when they are strong enough and well supported by foreigners, we could let them have 14% of Canada, that's not so much to ask is it? The Problem would be the selfish Canadians would want it all.

No, that's what would happen if we invited the Israeli's here. They would take their 14% and live in peace by our side in perpetuity. They would turn the 14% into the highest GDP producing area per capita in North America, and become a valuable ally and trading partner to the rest of us. If we invited the Palestinians here, they would immediately demand 86% of Canada, which we would promptly give them in exchange for peace. Immediately upon receiving the 86%, they would declare the remaining 14% as occupied territory, and begin bombing our women and children as a sign of "resistance".

I'm glad you at least acknowledge that the conflict is not about a state for Palestinians, but about a state for Jews, or more precisely, the elimination of a state for Jews.

For the record, I do, and always have, supported a state for Palestinians.


If you canadians invites palestinians to live in canada, they wouldnt immidiatlely demand 86% of canada, unless they were already there like they were in palestine, in fact they don't ask for 86% of the territory , since israel has already more than 75% (as the initial partition plan by the UN), they demand the initial plan by the united nations, not the illegal territory taken after six days "1967 war", that is just like your name, "just the facts"
 

Just the Facts

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Logic 7 said:
If you canadians invites palestinians to live in canada, they wouldnt immidiatlely demand 86% of canada, unless they were already there like they were in palestine, in fact they don't ask for 86% of the territory , since israel has already more than 75% (as the initial partition plan by the UN), they demand the initial plan by the united nations, not the illegal territory taken after six days "1967 war", that is just like your name, "just the facts"

No, that's more like Nevermind the Facts. You can try all you want, but you can't make Jordan go away. Jordan was part of Palestine that was originally slated to be part of a Jewish homeland. The Arabs protested and Transjorden was given to them. Fair enough. But you can't ignore that, and say Israel has 75% of territory. It's obviously false and just makes you look foolish. By that logic, I can say forget about the UN partition plan, we're just talking about the west bank and Gaza. Israel gave the Palestinians 100% of Gaza. Palestinians have about 80% of the west bank. That leaves about 5% of the total area for a Jewish homeland (roughly off the top of my head). If you can ignore Jordan, I can ignore Israel.
 

Logic 7

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Re: RE: If they hate us so mu

Just the Facts said:
Logic 7 said:
If you canadians invites palestinians to live in canada, they wouldnt immidiatlely demand 86% of canada, unless they were already there like they were in palestine, in fact they don't ask for 86% of the territory , since israel has already more than 75% (as the initial partition plan by the UN), they demand the initial plan by the united nations, not the illegal territory taken after six days "1967 war", that is just like your name, "just the facts"

No, that's more like Nevermind the Facts. You can try all you want, but you can't make Jordan go away. Jordan was part of Palestine that was originally slated to be part of a Jewish homeland. The Arabs protested and Transjorden was given to them. Fair enough. But you can't ignore that, and say Israel has 75% of territory. It's obviously false and just makes you look foolish. By that logic, I can say forget about the UN partition plan, we're just talking about the west bank and Gaza. Israel gave the Palestinians 100% of Gaza. Palestinians have about 80% of the west bank. That leaves about 5% of the total area for a Jewish homeland (roughly off the top of my head). If you can ignore Jordan, I can ignore Israel.

What are you talking about? seriously jordan wasnt part of the plan and never was,also
Israel couldnt have give 100%gaza to palestinians, it never belongs to israel.


UN partition plan 1947

 

Just the Facts

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Re: RE: If they hate us so mu

Logic 7 said:
What are you talking about? seriously jordan wasnt part of the plan and never was

UN partition plan 1947


The world did not begin in 1947. Transjordan was part of Palestine, and was given to Emir Abdullah in 1921 by the British, in appreciation for the Hashemites help against the Turks. Haven't you ever seen Lawrence of Arabia?

http://www.answers.com/topic/british-mandate-of-palestine

 

JonB2004

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Re: RE: If they hate us so much, why don't they leave?

Caleb-Dain Matton said:
JonB2004 said:
If the immigrants don't respect our country and its people, they can get the hell out. Plain and simple.

Don't really want to be the one who breaks the news to you Jon, but we're all immigrants in North America.


I am not an immigrant. My ancestors came here in the 1640s.


Hotshot said:
Yea, but they get welfare money and free health care handed to them here. Why leave?

Pretty disgusting isn't it?

It is disgusting.

My message for immigrants who hate Canadians: Wanna insult my fellow Canadians and I? You hate us but you sure love our tax dollars. Well I've got news for you. Get the fuck out, or we will throw you out.
 

Zzarchov

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If by "loose collection of tribes" you mean definitive nations with written treaties, laws, defined borders and intercene warfare then yes. It was very much like Europe except without metalworking. Europe certainly considered the North, Central and South American Nations to be full fledged nations.

By that definition then those muslims aren't immigrants either, they are colonists rewriting the native laws and borders. You can't just vote away someones right as a citizen, If you could you should note public opinion is still a minority (even if a larger minority than it was) in favour of your position, should we not be able to force those who espouse your view back to the EU and let them deal with it then?
 

Carmoral

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Treason- (the crime of) lack of loyalty to your country, especially by helping its enemies or attempting to defeat its government:

perhaps those that go against the country they have been born in should be done for treason?