If Quebec is indivisable, then by their rhetoric, so is Canada?

[ottawabill]

Very true, unfortunately the propaganda of separation is not economic, or even logical at times. It is to fix a perceived wrong from hundreds of years ago with no thought to what that actually means. It is kept as a current event by the fact of different language the the agressor from the 1700 and 1800's.

Yes I agree that Quebec would not crash and burn if they were to leave but neither would they enjoy the standards they have now...refer to some European countries of the same size..Luthuania comes to mind.

As well it would be harder to keep the language and culture intact. The rest of Canada would drop the official french Language status and the U.S. has no appetite for it outside of to sell products... All Canadian head offices would leave...as would all government sponsered agencies..i.e. Areospace technologies etc...

Montreal would go back into ressession with the loss of jobs as they have previously when the gov rattled it's separation sword...

I know it's a great dream of many Quebecer's but I have no idea what they would get from it or what they would do after the great English enemy is thrown out???

 

[General James Wolfe]

I know what would happen if Quebec seperates from Canada, Quebec will desecend into all out Civl War between the Anglo-Quebecers allied with the First Nationas and supported by the Royal Canadian Armed Forces with assistance from Anglo-American volunters vs the Quebecois.


I believe that Private Forces with in the United States would hire an army of Volunteers to march across the border from New England to Quebec and fight the seperatists. Quebec seperation could cause a Civl War in Quebec much worse than the United States Civll War of 1860-1865. Quebec being an independent nation right on the door step of America would be intollerable to most Americans because alot of Americans hate the French and some of them would go to Quebec to put the frogs in their place. So I believe that a Civll War in Quebec would last 1 month at the minnium and 1 year at the maximum. Quebec seperating from Canada could even draw the Forces of the Commonwealth who would be sent into Quebec to help the Royal Canadian Armed Forces to help keep Canada together.



Beware Quebec if you succede you will have to fight not only the Royal Canadian Armed Forces and an Anglo-Quebec Milita but an American Volunteer Army and the Royal Commonwealth Armed Forces of Great Britain, Austrailia and New Zealand. You dont want that to happen.


BTW If their is a Quebec Civil War between the Anglophones and the Francophones I will join my fellow Anglophones in fighting the PQ terrorists and in the end you will be defeated and you will recieve tough peace terms which could see the bannishment of your language to your expullsion of Canada. You dont want to unleash a big Anglo-Celtic Monster.

 

[Mr.Roboto]

I know what would happen if Quebec seperates from Canada, Quebec will desecend into all out Civl War between the Anglo-Quebecers allied with the First Nationas and supported by the Royal Canadian Armed Forces with assistance from Anglo-American volunters vs the Quebecois.


I believe that Private Forces with in the United States would hire an army of Volunteers to march across the border from New England to Quebec and fight the seperatists. Quebec seperation could cause a Civl War in Quebec much worse than the United States Civll War of 1860-1865. Quebec being an independent nation right on the door step of America would be intollerable to most Americans because alot of Americans hate the French and some of them would go to Quebec to put the frogs in their place. So I believe that a Civll War in Quebec would last 1 month at the minnium and 1 year at the maximum. Quebec seperating from Canada could even draw the Forces of the Commonwealth who would be sent into Quebec to help the Royal Canadian Armed Forces to help keep Canada together.



Beware Quebec if you succede you will have to fight not only the Royal Canadian Armed Forces and an Anglo-Quebec Milita but an American Volunteer Army and the Royal Commonwealth Armed Forces of Great Britain, Austrailia and New Zealand. You dont want that to happen.


BTW If their is a Quebec Civil War between the Anglophones and the Francophones I will join my fellow Anglophones in fighting the PQ terrorists and in the end you will be defeated and you will recieve tough peace terms which could see the bannishment of your language to your expullsion of Canada. You dont want to unleash a big Anglo-Celtic Monster.

*pouet*

 

[ottawabill]

Private forces in the U.S.??? you'd better be willing to pay these soldiers of Fortune a very good wage....I'm not sure what else that would get out of it.. You plan comes right from the 1800's I can certainly see a fight between the Mohawk nation and Quebec with possible Canadain Army intervension but no further then that..

 

[General James Wolfe]

OttawaBill


I dont think Americans particualry Anglo-Americans would welcome a French nation on their doorstep. Americans are very anti-French at this moment and they would volunteer to from an American Intervention Force to help the Royal Canadian Armed Forces and the Anglo-Quebec Milita in defeating the Quebecois. America has been so anti-French recently that they renamed French Fries "Frredom Fries" and French Toast "Freedom Toast". Plus America gets alot of their power needs from Quebec and I think an independent Quebec influenced by France would increase the price that Americans would have to pay for their power particulary in New England and the North East.


I think that the Canadian and American Lobsters would love to put the Quebecois Frogs in their place.



I can see an American Volunteer Army marching across from New England into Quebec and battling the PQ if Quebec became independent. Theire are a lot of Militas in the United States that would join up with their Canadian counterparts and go into Quebec to help their comrades in Quebec. These American Milita have military training and they would love to fight the Quebecois givin a chance. A lot of these militas consider the Whole of North America Anglo-Saxon territory and they would not like to see a French nation in a very important region in North America so close to them.

 

[Mr.Roboto]

Well I guess that the inteligent discussion that was going on in this thread went right out of the window thanks to general Wolfe here.

 

[Zzarchov]

Ignoring the trolling of Wolfe..

I would think at some point we need think long scale. If Canada is too "Large Scale" does that mean Quebec thinks that until the end of time we should remain a squabbling bunch of nations?

While I think it is centuries or even millenia away, and that there currently exists no organization or framework cabable of handling it..at some point the world should have a unified government, as long long term goal (ie, much how a first graders long long term goal is to retire somewhere nice). Saying that no group of people can be managed above the Size of Southern Qubec seems odd.

 

[ottawabill]

France has never stoped squabbling why Quebec???

The whinny and complaining in Quebec has become their way of getting attention. It works so why change it... They get way more attention the Alberta and B.C. even if those 2 provinces has a larger population combined then Quebec....

It's like little kids, if they can't get praise attention from their parents then they will break a window...then they get attention!!!

I like Quebec....like the culture, love Montreal but the politics suck so bad!!! It's too bad they are not on the end of the country so we wouldn't cut off the marritimes if we go fed up and told them to leave!!!

 

[ottawabill]

oh btw Mr. Wolfe you have used the fredom fry thing a number of times....thats not because of Quebec but rather that they hate the socialist regime in France...I don't hear Vertmont and New hampshire boycotting Montreal or not wanting their population to come down and ski

 

[Canadian_Ambassador]

I've said that before too, that separatists who think that separating from Canada will help preserve the French language are WAAAY out to lunch on that one. They're better off having the upper half of the 49th parallel with bilingualism as its official language and being anywhere in Canada and being able to read the labels on products, as well as receive government services in French. That's better than being a small island of French surrounded on all sides by an English majority. Canadians would certainly lose respect for the French language as it would be a constant reminder of our country being divided and Americans already don't have a lot of respect for it either. French would diffuse from Quebec at a faster rate if they can't step out of the Quebec border without being in a flood of English and no French services at all.

 

[ottawabill]

I've said that before too, that separatists who think that separating from Canada will help preserve the French language are WAAAY out to lunch on that one. They're better off having the upper half of the 49th parallel with bilingualism as its official language and being anywhere in Canada and being able to read the labels on products, as well as receive government services in French. That's better than being a small island of French surrounded on all sides by an English majority. Canadians would certainly lose respect for the French language as it would be a constant reminder of our country being divided and Americans already don't have a lot of respect for it either. French would diffuse from Quebec at a faster rate if they can't step out of the Quebec border without being in a flood of English and no French services at all.

Amen!!

even moreso services outside Quebec would dump French many products would just stay out of the Quebec market since it would be very expensive to do all the translation and provide services for what 6 million people.. The do it now since the greater nation of 30 million plus demands it...

The major factor is that the U.S. is already peeved with the spainish creeping into their country, they will no be very open to dealling with another language for their products..you would likely see less French packaging then now, as well more French people will need English to work...not less

 

[CDNBear]

Wow, some excellent points.

And most, valid and educational.

My particular concern is the fevered pitch I see in certain representatives of an independant Quebec. Oh sure you can call me a reactionist, I prefer proactivist. I do not base my aprehensions on some whim or news story. They are based solely on past experiences.

I feel Quebec would likely do well as a Nation, but at what cost to those that do not follow the mantra or status quo? Or those that stand in the way of Quebecs survival. In forestry, how long before the Native companies are pushed asside or just out right trampled, because they interfear with the Larger companies, or companies with ties to the new governemnt? What of the Niobium mine near Oka? What guarantees do the residents, Natives, have that the new government will not simply move them out and mine the whole area, as they want now?

All this comes back to, how can Quebec demand that Quebec is not divisable, while dividing a Nation?

 

[CDNBear]

Numure,

On est tous libre de faire et de dire ce qu'on veut. Ceci étant dit, je ne supporte pas du tout les commentaires gratuits, abusifs et sans fondements, sauf peut-être dans un contexte humoristique (j'aime bien l'humour noir). Que cela vienne du côté souverainiste ou fédéraliste, j'ai de la difficulté avec ceux qui ont la pensée figée dans de la pierre. Ceux qui refusent d'écouter l'autre côté ne font qu'alourdir un débat déjà trop lourd de préjugés et de vieilles rancunes. Mais avec un peu d'effort, j'ai réalisé que la plupart des gens ici sont ouvert au dialogues si on leur présente nos arguments de façon efficace, claire et surtout respectueuse.

Je crois avoir réussi à gagner le respect de la plupart des gens sur ce forum malgré mon ardent nationalisme Québecois. Personellement, je ne vois pas vraiment l'utilité et l'intérêt de venir sur ce forum pour lâcher des insultes à ceux qui sont en désaccord avec moi, sauf à General James Wolfe, à qui j'ai officielement déclarer la guerre... (Wolfy is just a puppy).

Sans nécéssairement être d'accord avec tout ce que CDNbear dit, je crois qu'il a un message important à passer à propos des autochtones qu'on aurait tous avantage à prendre en considération, autant du côté Canadien que Québecois.

Merci s-lone.