If i hand in a blank Ballot during an election

[Johnnny]

Can you expand on that Macho Man?

 

[Machjo]

Can you expand on that Macho Man?

I was being humorous to a degree, though granted there probably are a few lands with natural resources that do belong to some First Nation or other that we have not handed over yet.

Beyond that though, I have no big issue with 'foreign' ownership of 'Canada's' natural resources. In the end, all resources on crown lands are crown resoruces and we can sell them off at whatever price we think is fair, and those exploiting those resources on Canadian soil are still fully subject to Canadian laws.

Let's consider too that Canadian investors also invest in foreign resources too. You could imagine if we tried to 'naitonalize' oil companies how many Canadians might lose their investments overseas too. Tit-for-tat politics is dangerous. Never, ever forget that what one country can do another country can do also. Canada does not have access to all natural resources, so if we ever clamped down on our resource exports, don't imagine for a moment other countries would not retaliate in kind, meaning that we might then experience shortages of certain resources in Canada too, thus hurting all sides in the process. I think we'd go much further with each country helping each other to succeed than have each country try to knock their neighbour down in pointless economic wars. That's what worsened the Great Depression after all. Let's learn from the past.

 

[Johnnny]

That stuff i know all the companies i worked for out of the country were canadian owned...

But right now companies llike vale buy companies make promises and break them. Id make them be held accountable for their words. If they say something nice and peachy when they buy one of our companies they better fall through with it after the purchase

 

[Machjo]

That stuff i know all the companies i worked for out of the country were canadian owned

So what did you mean then by 'fighting foreign ownership of our natural resources'? And how would you do so so as to avoid retaliation in kind against Canadian ownership of foreign resources?

Just a little detail you seem to have missed there.

 

[Johnnny]

for example vale made a wack of money last year even during all the strike BS

Sudbury Local News - Vale doubles Q4 profits from last year

but yet they are shutting down Thompson manitoba, they ****ed the workers in NFLD HARD, and the sudbury guys got screwed even though the sudbury guys kinda brought it on themselves

Vale cuts startle Thompson residents - Manitoba - CBC News


Xstrata did the same thing with a refinery in Noranda and i think the jobs in that case went over seas.

 

[Machjo]

for example vale made a wack of money

Sudbury Local News - Vale doubles Q4 profits from last year

but yet they are shutting down Thompson manitoba, they ****ed the workers in NFLD HARD, and the sudbury guys got screwed even though the sudbury guys kinda brought it on themselves

Vale cuts startle Thompson residents - Manitoba - CBC News

I don't see how foreign ownership plays a role here. It brought investment into the province and country while it lasted, they had to pay taxes like anyone else, etc. right? So whether they're foreign owned or not, the law applies to them the same, so I really don't see the issue here.

Now, if the concern is with companies being more socially accountable, then how about introducing co-determination or other laws that could better democratize the economy? Beyond that though, I don't see how domestic-vs-foreign-ownership plays any role here.

 

[Johnnny]

But your right we have companies like goldcorp, barrick gold and Potash corp doing the same in other countries. But alot of the ore we mine in those areas for some reason dont get smelted and refined here.

 

[Machjo]

Just as a foreign company can treat its workers well, a domestic company can run roughshod over them. This has nothing to do with the nationality of who owns the company, but rather with whether the owner, domestic or foreign, cares about people.

 

[Johnnny]

And i dont think vale cares about the people. They lied about everything they said they would do. But whatever id just like to see more accountability

 

[Machjo]

One thing I'd support would be a tax-shift resources. Let's say we lowered income taxes and had a flat income tax, replaced the GST, PST, QST, HST or whatever other VAT you have in your province or territory with a resource tax similar to the Gas Tax the Green Party had proposed, I could see that as a good ting since it would push the cost of resources up but the cost of production down in Canada, thus making Canada less attractive for its resource exploitation and more attractive for its manufacturing and services.

Even that's not a perfect solution as it would likely cost at least some jobs in the resource exploitation industries, but at least the service sector would compensate with growth of its own, and possibly the manufacturing sector too.

And i dont think vale cares about the people. They lied about everything they said they would do. But whatever id just like to see more accountability

Then this is not an issue about foreign ownership. How about some kind of legislation like this for example:

Co-determination - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Like all laws, this would not discriminate between domestic and foreign companies. It would merely be saying that they must respect their workers.

 

[Johnnny]

Ill check the link out and read about it, thanks.

 

[taxslave]

I think putting an X through the ballot says more than a blank one. X vote means you voted your conscience and blank one says you don't care. Every ballot should have a "None of the Above" column.

Still counts as a spoiled ballot. They don't differentiate between blank, more than one, or any other markings. There is actually a rule on how much of your X sticks out side the box.

Vote for yourself.

Go ahead, I don't think the job pays enough for the $hit you have to put up with. Generally speaking we seem to elect people that are long on ego and short on brains.

 

[Machjo]

Co-determination is one example of democratization of the economy:

Economic democracy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

An idea espoused by social-corporatists:

Social corporatism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

John Stuart Mill was among the first proponents of economic democracy within the context of progressive corporatism.

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

You know what you should write on it Johnny.

Steve the Cat

 

[Johnnny]

I was actually thinking of voting the kool-aid man. OH yea

 

[Machjo]

Generally speaking we seem to elect people that are long on ego and short on brains.

If we're lucky. Long on ego and brains can be an even more dangerous combination, with the brains geared towards feeding the ego.

 

[Johnnny]

Ive been finding out too that some of the people with BSc, and masters i work with even void there ballots and i can say some of you so called genius's would have a hard time racking in IQ points against them.

One guy in particular said he drew a dick beside the conservative guys name, a pussy for the liberal candidate, lol......

I guess ol regular people like me arent the only ones with enough sense to realize voting for one idiot doesnt help you from the idiocy of another candidate lol