Hundreds feared dead in London tower block fire

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Why Grenfell Tower Burned: Regulators Put Cost Before Safety



Promising to cut “red tape,” business-friendly politicians evidently judged that cost concerns outweighed the risks of allowing flammable materials to be used in facades.

For years, members of Parliament had written letters requesting new restrictions on cladding, especially as the same flammable facades were blamed for fires in Britain, France, the United Arab Emirates, Australia and elsewhere. Yet British authorities resisted new rules. A top building regulator explained to a coroner in 2013 that requiring only noncombustible exteriors in residential towers “limits your choice of materials quite significantly.”

Fire safety experts said the blaze at Grenfell Tower was a catastrophe that could have been avoided, if warnings had been heeded.

The firefighters and engineers warned Parliament that British codes required only that the aluminum used in cladding resist ignition, even though the heat of a fire would breach the surface and expose the flammable material inside. Nor did the British rules require a test to evaluate risks in real-world conditions.

“If the cladding cannot resist the spread of flame across the surface, then it will vertically envelop the building,” Mr. Evans warned, in testimony that now seems prophetic. “In other words, the fire will spread to the outside of the building, and it will go vertically.” Many other fire safety experts would repeat those concerns in the following years.

But manufacturers argued against new tests or rules. Using fire-resistant materials was more expensive, a cost that industry advocates opposed.

In 2014, the Fire Protection Research Foundation, an organization in the United States, counted 20 major high-rise fires involving cladding. In at least a half-dozen — in France, Dubai, South Korea, the United States and elsewhere — the same type of panels installed at Grenfell Tower caught fire. A 2014 fire in Melbourne, Australia, resulted in multiple investigations into the dangers of combustible cladding. Another fire broke out in Dubai, around a 60-story skyscraper, on New Year’s Eve of 2015, and yet another, around a 70-story skyscraper there, this April.

But in Britain, still no changes were made. “The construction industry appears to be stronger and more powerful than the safety lobby,” said Ronnie King, a former fire chief who advises the parliamentary fire safety group. “Their voice is louder.”

Business-friendly governments in Britain campaigned to pare back regulations. A 2005 law known as the Regulatory Reform (Fire Safety) Order ended a requirement for government inspectors to certify that buildings had met fire codes, and shifted instead to a system of self-policing. Governments adopted slogans calling for the elimination of at least one regulation for each new one that was imposed, and the authorities in charge of fire safety took this to heart.

“If you think more fire protection would be good for U.K. business, then you should be making the case to the business community, not the government,” Brian Martin, the top civil servant in charge of drafting building-safety guidelines, told an industry conference in 2011, quoting the fire minister then, Bob Neill. (“Should we be looking to regulate further? ‘No’ would be my answer,’” Mr. Neill added.)

Mr. Martin, a former surveyor for large-scale commercial projects like the Canary Wharf, told his audience to expect few new regulations because the prime minister at the time, David Cameron, wanted to greatly reduce the burden on industry, according to a report by the conference organizers.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/24/world/europe/grenfell-tower-london-fire.html?_r=0
 

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No, it isn't.

Can you show me the relevant EU regulations?
Why isn't it put on the inside where it won't be catching fire like that in the first place?
The outside is more for show than performance anyway, please don't make me have to explain that concept for you.

How much did the sale value of said tower go up with the modifications and who supplied the funding for said renovation?? (before it became a crime scene, places have a tendency to lose value with things like that)

Crime scene in that the fire could have been deliberately set and the cladding part was not part of the plan. That is based on the timing of this new contract that will see new housing development take place close by and then the towers would have been demolished and new buildings put up that would be for the same type of clients. When was this deal set up as it didn't go from scratch after the fire took place.

Cheaper material while getting paid premium price is a crime that is now a wrongful death suit due to convictions along the lines of gross criminal misconduct. That is not a slap on the wrist charge.

Grenfell Tower renovation company to get £65million housing contract | Metro News
Ealing is the neighbouring borough to Kensington and Chelsea, where Grenfell Tower near Latimer Road tragically went up in flames.
The lucrative deal will see the contractor finance, develop and submit a planning application for the new development, which will be situated just miles from where last week’s atrocity unfolded.
They will then demolish the area’s existing estate, before replacing it with mixed-tenure housing. The majority of homes in the development will apparently be ‘affordable’.



Don't you just love the way companies scramble to cover their own asses and pass the buck, one that never seems to land squarely. The Govt Inspectors are supposed to be the experts that the experts consult with to verify that things are done in a certain way. Obviously these inspectors were on the take and all other structures they have signed off on should be thoroughly inspected.

This link has some names of inspectors, etc.
Grenfell Tower fire: Block renovations 'inspected 16 times' before fatal blaze | The Independent
 

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https://sputniknews.com/europe/201706281055021348-tower-block-fire-safety/
Two weeks after the Grenfell Tower fire, the advice from London Fire Brigade remains for tower block residents to stay in their apartments in the event of a blaze. The same advice led to six deaths at Lakanal House in Southwark in 2009, and more than 7It emerged after the Grenfell Tower fire that many residents had been told to stay inside their flats and by the time they tried to evacuate it was too late.

But London Fire Brigade is sticking to its advice to "stay put."
"Purpose-built maisonettes or blocks of flats are built to give you some protection from fire. Walls, floors and doors can hold back flames and smoke for 30 to 60 minutes. You are usually safer staying put and calling 999," London Fire Brigade says on its website.
WATCH: Here's what to do if there is a fire in another part of the building & you're not affected by fire or smoke https://t.co/n3KPUIkEwV pic.twitter.com/rJGuvTli4r
— London Fire Brigade (@LondonFire) June 28, 2017​​
That advice is being echoed by fire services around the country, including the West Midlands.
"I think it's crazy advice to advise people to stay in a burning building rather than evacuating as soon as possible, cladding or no cladding. The Grenfell Tower disaster has exposed the many issues regarding the safety of tower blocks and most people living in them now see themselves as living in death-traps, myself included," Millie Langton, who lives in a tower block in Birmingham, told Sputnik.
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120 blocks at risk of fire in – 480 blocks yet to be tested | Alternative News Alert
At least 120 council-owned tower blocks across 37 local authorities have found to be fitted with similar combustible cladding to that used on Grenfell Tower, it has emerged.
Theresa May announced 100 per cent of cladding samples submitted following the north Kensington fire had failed testing and urged local authorities to “work on the assumption” that cladding samples would fail safety tests.
Speaking at Prime Minister’s Questions, Ms May said: “Given the 100 per cent failure rate, [local authorities] should not wait for test results.”
Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn urged the Prime Minister to give a “categorical” answer on whether cladding with a combustible core, which was used on Grenfell Tower, was illegal.
Ms May replied: “The situation is, in relation to the cladding, that the building regulations identify the cladding which is compatible with the building regulations and that which is non-compliant with those building regulations.
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9 deaths at Grenfell Tower.
 

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Aluminum burns does it while zinc does not, wtf??? Where are the details on the different panels tested ot was one type tested many times and it failed every-time?

Renovators at UK Blaze Tower Were Asked to Cut Costs
Contractors working on the renovation of London's Grenfell Tower were asked by the building's managers to reduce costs, with cheaper exterior cladding suggested as one alternative, The Times reported Friday.
At least 80 people were killed in the blaze that consumed the tower this month, with the cladding blamed for spreading the fire throughout the 24-floor block.
An "urgent nudge email" sent to contractor Artelia UK from the Kensington and Chelsea tenant management organisation (KCTMO), which runs the tower block on behalf of the local council, said that "we need good costs" for council deputy leader Rock Feilding-Mellen.
One suggestion was the use of aluminium panels instead of zinc, which is more fire-resistant, leading to a "saving of £293,368".
Retired judge Martin Moore-Bick was on Thursday appointed to lead a public inquiry into the fire, which engulfed Grenfell Tower on June 14.
Residents have expressed anger at the authorities' handling of the fire, leading protesters on June 16 to storm the town hall which manages the social housing block, though there is no suggestion that fire safety concerns were ignored.
Victims identified so far include a six-month-old baby, her eight-year-old sister and their parents, who lived on the 20th floor.
The baby was found in her dead mother's arms.
As part of an emergency fund, the government announced this month that each household whose home was destroyed would receive at least £5,500 ($7,140, 6,250 euros).
Checks are under way at hundreds of high-rises in Britain fitted with the same cladding which encased Grenfell Tower.
So far all 137 buildings tested have failed the fire safety checks.
The Kensington and Chelsea Council on Thursday failed in a bid to bar journalists from the first meeting of councillors since the disaster, and instead adjourned the meeting early.
Theresa May's Downing Street criticised the aborted meeting, saying: "The High Court ruled that the meeting should be open and we would have expected the council to respect that."
 

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The testing being done is pretty much completely useless.


The panels are filled with foam insulation; depending on which version it was, it is 'fireproof' or not. It appears that the version used is not fireproof. But that really doesn't matter, because the air gap behind the panels acted as a chimney. The original fire was in a refrigerator, but the issue is that the exhaust fan for the flat provided a great feed for hot gases to go out and into the airgap behind the new insulating panels. With the chimney effect, the hot gases zoomed up the building, and the foam insulation didn't burn, it gasified, and then the gases burned. NONE of the tests being done on the panels replicate this effect.


It was a horrible design, poorly implemented, with improper products.
 

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You mean, where AC generation originated, was invented, developed and where the first grids were connected, we use lower voltages. When Britain finally got electricity, you did a "funny" with it and got it wrong (surprise, surprise)

As in most things in this modern world, electric power is a British innovation.

Electricity became practical for everyday use in technology thanks to the British scientist Michael Faraday.

The first alternator to produce alternating current was a dynamo electric generator based on Faraday's principles constructed by the French instrument maker Hippolyte Pixii in 1832.

The first central high-voltage power station in the world was the first of three coal-fired power stations at Deptford on the south bank of the Thames.

The British inventor and chemist Humphry Davy invented the light bulb in 1802.

The world's first public electricity supply was provided in late 1881, when the streets of the Surrey town of Godalming in the UK were lit with electric light. This system was powered from a water wheel on the River Wey, which drove a Siemens alternator that supplied a number of arc lamps within the town. This supply scheme also provided electricity to a number of shops and premises to light 34 incandescent Swan light bulbs.

Today, two of the top ten biggest electric power companies in the world are British - none are American or Canadian.

Grenfell Tower Disaster death toll rises to 80 - and police admit they may not know the final death toll until next year. 18 victims have been idenitified so far...

Grenfell death toll of 80 mainly came from 23 flats, police say as inquest hears how six-month-old baby found in mother’s arms

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Grenfell Tower Block Fire Credit: Guilhem Baker

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28 June 2017
The Telegraph

The death toll from the Grenfell Tower fire is believed to be around 80 people, the vast majority of whom were from 23 flats, police believe.

Metropolitan Police Detective Superintendent Fiona McCormack said contact had been made with at least one occupant from 106 of the 129 flats in the building.

From those properties, 18 people are dead or assumed dead, meaning the remaining victims are thought to have been in the flats wiped out by the inferno.

It will be months before the final roll call of victims is established, Ms McCormack said.

She said: "There are 23 flats that, despite huge investigative efforts, we have been unable to trace anyone that lives there.

"At this stage we must presume that no-one in those flats survived. That includes anyone who lived there or was visiting them."

Pressed on whether the death toll could climb to triple figures, Ms McCormack said: "I've said I believe it could increase. I don't think it's going to be triple. No."

A six-month-old baby was among the latest victims to be identified, found dead in her mother's arms in the smoke-filled stairwell.


Posters were put up searching for information on Omar Belkadi, his wife Farah Hamdan and their 6 Month Old Daughter Credit: Nick Edwards

Westminster Coroner's Court opened and adjourned inquests into seven Grenfell Tower victims, including baby Leena Belkadi and her eight-year-old sister Malak.

As the vast criminal investigation into the fire continues, 60 organisations have been identified as having a hand in the tower's refurbishment, which is suspected to have aided the spread of the blaze.


Views Of The Remains Of The Grenfell Tower Block Credit: Carl Court

Prime Minister Theresa May confirmed on Wednesday that 120 tower blocks across 37 local authority areas have flammable cladding on their exterior.

Efforts to establish who was missing in the wake of the fire were focused on talking to friends, families and neighbours of those in Grenfell Tower, Ms McCormack said.

A list of tenants provided to police by the Kensington and Chelsea Tenants Management Organisation, which managed the building, was "not accurate", she claimed.

"We are many months from being able to provide a number which we believe accurately represents the total loss of life inside Grenfell Tower.

"Only after we have completed a search and recovery operation, which will take until the end of the year.

"What I can say is that we believe that around 80 people are either dead or sadly missing and I must presume that they are dead."

The 23 flats which were said to have no survivors were spread between the 11th floor and the 23rd.

Around 10 flats remain too perilous for police to venture into for thorough examination.

Amid mounting distrust of the official death toll, Ms McCormack stressed "every imaginable source" of information about who was in the building had been examined, "from government agencies to fast food companies".


Views Of The Remains Of The Grenfell Tower Block Credit: Carl Court

She said: "What we know is that it would be impossible for anyone to produce a list to show exactly who was at Grenfell Tower that night, that includes the people who were living there or who were visiting."

A couple who were missing and assumed dead had actually been on holiday at the time of the blaze, according to the detective.

Referring to the criminal probe, which has set out to establish if charges including manslaughter will be brought, Ms McCormack said: "We are continuing to seize material on a daily basis and the number of companies and organisations that we know so far had played a role in the refurbishment is over 60."

Grenfell death toll of 80 mainly came from 23 flats, police say as inquest hears how six-month-old baby found in mother


Baby girl was found dead in mother's arms in Grenfell Tower stairwell

Six-month-old Leena Belkadi died along with both parents and eight-year-old sister, inquest hears

Caroline Davies
Thursday 29 June 2017
The Guardian



A six-month-old baby was found dead in her mother’s arms after the Grenfell Tower disaster, in which at least 80 people died or are missing presumed dead, an inquest has heard.

Leena Belkadi’s body was found in a stairwell between the 19th and 20th floors of the 24-storey high-rise block, Westminster coroner’s court was told.

The coroner’s officer, Eric Sword, said she was “found in her mother’s arms”. Leena’s sister, Malak, aged eight, who was recovered from the 20th floor, where the family lived, and taken to St Mary’s Hospital, also later died. The cause of death for both sisters was given as inhalation of fire fumes.


Tottenham MP David Lammy has described the official death toll so far of 80 as being "far, far too low"


The girls’ parents, Farah Hamdan and Omar Belkadi, also died in the blaze and inquests into their deaths have already been opened and adjourned. Another daughter, Tazmin, six, was taken to St Mary’s hospital.

The Westminster coroner, Dr Fiona Wilcox, opened and adjourned inquests on Wednesday into the deaths of seven who died at Grenfell Tower, including the two sisters.

Also among them was the Syrian refugee Mohammed Al Haj Ali, 23, previously named as Mohammad Alhajali, and who was the first fatality of the disaster to be formally identified by police.


Pop star Rita Ora pays tribute to the victims with this T-shirt


His body was found outside the tower block, and his preliminary cause of death was given as multiple injuries consistent with a fall from a height, the inquest heard. The funeral of the engineering student was held a week after the disaster and attended by family, some of whom travelled from Syria to be present. Two family members attended the hearing as the coroner expressed her “sincere condolences” to them, and all others affected by the deaths.

Husna Begum, 22, and her relative Rabeya Begum, 64, were also among the dead. They were identified by dental records and both causes of death were “consistent with the effects of fire”, the inquest heard. Husna’s body was found in the lobby near to the lifts on the 17th floor, while Rabeya’s was recovered from the family’s flat on the same floor. Five members of the family were reported missing after the fire, but it is not yet clear what has happened to the other three.

The inquest of Mohamed Amied Neda, 57, who lived on the 23rd floor, was also opened. He was found outside the tower and died from multiple injuries consistent with a fall. He was reported missing after the fire and his family were also said to have been severely injured and in hospital. Zia Popal, who described him as his uncle, had posted on Facebook: “He was on the top floor of the building trying to help and went missing since.” Three family members attended the hearing. The coroner thanked them, saying: “I am impressed with your dignity.”

Abdeslam Sebbar, 67, died from inhalation of fire fumes. The inquest heard he was found in a flat on the 11th floor and identified by DNA.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jun/28/baby-found-dead-mothers-arms-grenfell-tower

Grenfell Tower victim Isaac Paulos, 5, choked to death on fire fumes



The coroner overseeing formal investigations into the causes of death for each of the Grenfell Tower fire victims has spoken of the almost indescribable complexity of identifying them as scepticism about the official death toll grows.

The Westminster coroner, Dr Fiona Wilcox, said the removal of bodies and formal identification would continue to be hampered by how dangerous the Kensington tower block has become since the blaze.

Opening the inquest into five-year-old Isaac Paulos, one of the 18 people identified so far, she said: “It can’t really be explained in enough detail how complex an investigation this is in terms of identification and in terms of recovery of bodies on a dangerous site that my team are not allowed to enter because the building is being shored up.”

Paulos, one of the youngest of the victims so far, lived with his family on the 18th floor and was found on the 13th floor, Wilcox said. He was identified by dental records and his preliminary cause of death was given as inhalation of fire fumes.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...aac-paulos-five-choked-to-death-on-fire-fumes
 
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Tottenham MP David Lammy has described the official death toll so far of 80 as being "far, far too low"


The police don't want to reveal the numbers, because then it will become obvious there were many more people in the tower
then were supposed to be registered, opening up all kinds of uncomfortable questions about how most of the government
paid for apartments were in fact rented out to illegals and others on the open market.

So the police have decided they just aren't going to say anything, and the media and the public can just go piss off.

Nice, eh ?


If you are wondering, ask yourself how the young Italian couple just arrived in the UK qualify for government housing
in Kensington with a waiting list miles long.
(They didn't, they were private renters)
 

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The police don't want to reveal the numbers, because then it will become obvious there were many more people in the tower
then were supposed to be registered, opening up all kinds of uncomfortable questions about how most of the government
paid for apartments were in fact rented out to illegals and others on the open market.

So the police have decided they just aren't going to say anything, and the media and the public can just go piss off.

Nice, eh ?


If you are wondering, ask yourself how the young Italian couple just arrived in the UK qualify for government housing
in Kensington with a waiting list miles long.
(They didn't, they were private renters)

David Lammy MP thinks the true number of deaths is being covered up at the moment to prevent civil unrest.

But it's difficult to ascertain a death toll in such a disaster. As well as undocumented illegals, there could have been an unknown number of visitors to the tower block during the fire as well as residents who weren't in the building at the time but are afraid to come forward and admit they were living there.
 

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Grenfell Tower fire: Council suspends rent for neighbouring flats

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12 July 2017



Residents forced to leave homes next to London's Grenfell Tower because of a lack of utilities have had their rent suspended, the area's council says.

Kensington and Chelsea Council said payments would not be requested for properties in the so-called finger blocks until at least January 2018.

The buildings have been without hot water since the neighbourhood's boiler was destroyed in the fire on 14 June.

Any rent deducted since the blaze will be refunded, a council spokesman said.

It comes after a victims' group said one resident had had rent deducted from their bank account since the fire, which is believed to have killed at least 80 people.

'No energy'

The west London council has been heavily criticised for its response to the disaster, leading this week to the resignation of its leader, Nicholas Paget-Brown, and his deputy, Rock Feilding-Mellen.

Sid-Ali Atmani, who lived on the 15th floor with his family and is currently in a hotel, told the BBC: "There is no energy anymore."

He added: "Still we haven't any improvement regarding our situation. Our personal opinion is [that it is] a failure for people who are responsible for that."


Supporters of Grenfell survivors took part in anti-government protests in London on Saturday

Robert Atkinson, leader of the opposition on Kensington and Chelsea Council, told the BBC: "I still have residents who are not housed.

"I still have residents who have no hot water and I have got residents living in hotels which they are now sharing with Wimbledon spectators.

That is not a satisfactory situation."

A Kensington and Chelsea Council spokesman said: "We are focused on the needs of all affected residents, including those from Barandon Walk, Testerton Walk and Hurstway [the finger blocks].

"This group of residents have suffered a huge disruption to their lives as they were evacuated from their homes."

The spokesman added that the council expected to have the hot water supply restored in the next week.

He said some had gone back to their homes, but the council would continue to provide temporary accommodation for those who did not want to return.

Grenfell Tower fire: Council suspends rent for neighbouring flats - BBC News

Grenfell Tower's youngest victim: husband and wife escaped the inferno but lost their unborn baby, Logan Isaac

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The Gomes family lived on the 21st floor of the tower block Credit: Telegraph Exclusive


Camilla Turner, Education Editor
1 July 2017
The Telegraph

A husband and wife who escaped the Grenfell Tower blaze from the 21st floor have revealed how they lost their unborn son, just two months before he was due to be born.

Marcio and Andreia Gomes managed to escape from the high-rise block, stepping over bodies as they climbed down pitch black smoke-filled stairs with their two young daughters.

But their unborn baby, believed to be the youngest victim of the inferno, was delivered hours later as a stillborn, while his mother lay unconscious in an induced coma.

Mr Gomes told The Telegraph the heartbreaking story of how, just hours after the whole family escaped, he learned that the poisonous fumes claimed the life of his new baby son, for whom he and his wife had already chosen a name for.


Marcio and Andreia Gomes managed to escape from the high-rise block with their family Credit: Telegraph Exclusive

"The doctors came and said the baby’s heart had stopped and the priority is the mother,” said Mr Gomes, a 38-year-old IT manager at the schools inspectorate Ofsted who had lived in Grenfell Tower with his family for the past 10 years.

“My wife gave birth that night while she was in an induced coma so she didn’t know at the time. At 11.03 in the evening my baby boy was born.

“I was holding him. He looked peaceful, like a baby that was just sleeping. I wanted to be there with him but he had already died.”

Doctors at King’s College Hospital explained to Mr Gomes that the baby’s heart had stopped beating, and they needed to deliver him so that his wife did not contract an infection. “So he was born later that day and it was classed as a stillborn,” Mr Gomes recalled.

He then faced the agonising task of explaining to his wife what had happened, when she regained consciousness.

“I had to. We spoke about it and I explained. It was very emotional,” he said.

“At first she didn’t want to talk about it and she said she didn’t want to see the baby. But I know my wife. The hospital were really good at keeping the baby there for us. The next day she was very happy to see the baby. She didn’t want the baby to go away.”


The family had already planned a name for their newest addition, Logan Isaac Credit: Telegraph Exclusive

Mr Gomes said that his family already knew that Andreia was expecting a boy, and they had chosen the name Logan Isaac for him.

Their two daughters - Megan, 10, and Luana, 12 - were excited to meet their new baby brother.

“The girls already had plans made. They were already planning things like ‘Logan can sleep with me in my bed’, and what they were going to do, so this has hit them quite hard as well,” he said.

Mr Gomes said he was woken at around 2am during the night of the blaze, by a neighbour banging on the door.

He phoned the fire brigade repeatedly, begging them to help his family get out, explaining that his wife was seven months pregnant and asthmatic, and that his youngest daughter was also asthmatic.

The instructions were the same: to stay put. It wasn’t until around 3.30am when Mr Gomes saw flames burst into his bedroom that he realised he had to get his family out no matter what.

“I said to my family, ‘The fire is in the flat. We have to go and we have to go now and there is no turning back’," he recalled.

“I kept shouting from the back ‘Keep going, keep going’. What I didn’t realise is that there were already bodies on the stairwell we needed to step over. I said ‘Don’t run. I don’t want you to fall. Take each step as it comes’.”

He told of the horrifying moment that someone who was still alive and lying in the stairwell grabbed his calf as he walked down.

“And there was nothing I could do. I just said to my girls keep going. There was nothing I could have done,” he said.

When he was more than half way down, Mr Gomes realised his eldest daughter was not in front of him, so turned round and ran back up the stairs - only to find her lying unconscious on the floor after she had collapsed from smoke inhalation.

"At one point, which was the worst moment for me, I heard my daughter say ‘Dad, I can’t go anymore’. That’s when I realised she was behind me. I told her to keep going, but my daughter said ‘I can’t. I can’t move’."

The family were rushed to hospital, where Mrs Gomes and Luana were put in induced comas while they were treated for smoke inhalation. Both have since been discharged, while Megan, who suffers from asthma, remains in intensive care.

Mr Gomes praised the response of the NHS, recalling that the emergency room was full of doctors and nurses in casual clothes, who had turned up to work in the middle of the night.

Mr Gomes said that they are planning to hold a funeral, once the autopsy was complete. “It is a bit of an awkward feeling - it could have been so much worse. We understand that,” he told The Telegraph.

“But at the same time we lost a member of the family who didn’t even get to experience fresh air, so it is a very traumatic time."

Grenfell Tower's youngest victim: husband and wife escaped the inferno but lost their unborn baby, Logan Isaac
 
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Funny the place didn't collapse in its own foot print like building seven at 911