How will a Conservative government be better?
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It isn't a matter of aligning with the UN, it's recognizing that there are more countries in the world than George Amerikkka. By the way, the US is the country most opposing UN reforms, including the reforms to the Human Rights Commission.
The US, who ties trade to aid and pushes George Bush's insane religious beliefs on people in foreign countries.
the US, who is willing to let people die so their pharmaceutical corporations can turn an even bigger profit.
Yeah, they're really helpful.
You know who runs the UN? The five permanent members of the Security Council. The United States, The United Kingom, France, Russia, and China. Those same five countries had complete oversight of Oil for Food, by the way. There were problems in that program, the US knew about them from the very start. They chose to ignore the problems, even continuing the program because it was feeding people, until Kofi Annan called the invasion of Iraq illegal. Then the US launched a politically motivated attack on Annan.
The UN does not require selling out. They do not demand access to our energy supplies. They do not launch illegal tariffs against us. They do not demand us to help in illegal invasions. If you prefer the US, you know where the border is.
Our present system is based on party platforms. I'd be extremely pissed off if my MP voted against that platform. If you don't like it, push Stevie to change the system.
That's completely untrue. money being put into the economy generates jobs. Social spending is what helped get us out of the Great Depression. By the way, the unfettered market your party is putting forth played a large role in starting the Depression.
Trying to force people who do not share your religious beliefs to abide by the tenets of your religion is zealotry. Nothing more, nothing less.
I have looked at it. Hell, I watched them vote it into existence at their convention. There is nothing centrist about it.
The rest of your post is just more ranting with no basis in anything close to reality.
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This is quite revealing...Harper's promise to have free votes in Parliament was in response to the same sex marriage issue...if we are to assume that the two bolded sections are to be taken together, which we can plainly see that the first statment is contextually in agreement with the second, then we can conclude that you, and the party that you support, consider same sex marriage to be immoral...
...but then I've suspected as much for some time now...
bluealberta said:
This is quite revealing...Harper's promise to have free votes in Parliament was in response to the same sex marriage issue...if we are to assume that the two bolded sections are to be taken together, which we can plainly see that the first statment is contextually in agreement with the second, then we can conclude that you, and the party that you support, consider same sex marriage to be immoral...
...but then I've suspected as much for some time now...
Don't you find it amusing, that corporations will always claim that they "create" jobs, but when they close down a business in order to seek fatter profits elsewhere, they don't "destroy" those jobs, those jobs are simply "lost"?
Like; "Oops! I seem to have lost my job. How careless of me." 8O
Like; "Oops! I seem to have lost my job. How careless of me." 8O
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That is the way it works, isn't it? I always wonder how many jobs could be created if they took the insane bonuses away from the CEOs. "Sorry Mr. Rich Guy, but since you laid people off while making record profits, we are confiscating your multi-million dollar bonus and giving it to the people you laid off so they can start a worker-run business."
That is the way it works, isn't it? I always wonder how many jobs could be created if they took the insane bonuses away from the CEOs. "Sorry Mr. Rich Guy, but since you laid people off while making record profits, we are confiscating your multi-million dollar bonus and giving it to the people you laid off so they can start a worker-run business."
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That is the most bizarre leap of logic since...........hell, there is no other example as bizarre as that. But then you on the left are great at leaps of logic that defy any kind of reality. Perhaps if you and the Rev weren't so anti-US, anti-religion (of any denomination), anti-Alberta, anti-free-enterprise, anti-freedom of choice, anti-personal responsibility and accountability, anti-anything but looney left, you could actually see beyond your nose.
Vanni Fucci said:
That is the most bizarre leap of logic since...........hell, there is no other example as bizarre as that. But then you on the left are great at leaps of logic that defy any kind of reality. Perhaps if you and the Rev weren't so anti-US, anti-religion (of any denomination), anti-Alberta, anti-free-enterprise, anti-freedom of choice, anti-personal responsibility and accountability, anti-anything but looney left, you could actually see beyond your nose.
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Yep...and perhaps if you weren't so f**king ant-Canadian, I wouldn't have a virtually uncontrollable desire to kick every big C conservative in the teeth...
So keep your firewalls around Alberta, separate if you want to since the rest of the country is so unpallatable to your Conservative idiotology...I won't f**king miss you...
bluealberta said:
Yep...and perhaps if you weren't so f**king ant-Canadian, I wouldn't have a virtually uncontrollable desire to kick every big C conservative in the teeth...
So keep your firewalls around Alberta, separate if you want to since the rest of the country is so unpallatable to your Conservative idiotology...I won't f**king miss you...
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Anti-US? All I have ever seen is opposition to the US government's absurd policy.
Yeah, as we bend over backwards to protect religions groups from having to marry same sex couples.
That's a new one. I like Alberta; the mountains are pretty.
What in the name of the bleeding Virgin Mary are you talking about?
Again...quoi? I assume you are referring to social programs. Those are designed to help society and promote the improvement of quality of life.
Whenever I see Harper I wish that I couldn't see beyond my nose.
bluealberta said:
Anti-US? All I have ever seen is opposition to the US government's absurd policy.
bluealberta said:
Yeah, as we bend over backwards to protect religions groups from having to marry same sex couples.
bluealberta said:
That's a new one. I like Alberta; the mountains are pretty.
bluealberta said:
What in the name of the bleeding Virgin Mary are you talking about?
bluealberta said:
Again...quoi? I assume you are referring to social programs. Those are designed to help society and promote the improvement of quality of life.
bluealberta said:
Whenever I see Harper I wish that I couldn't see beyond my nose.
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Not anti Canadian, anti looney left who are destroying Canada. Sticks and Stones, Vanni, sticks and stones....oh yeah, I've said that before, and still all you can do is degrade anyone who disagrees with you. Pitiful, just pitiful.
Vanni Fucci said:
Not anti Canadian, anti looney left who are destroying Canada. Sticks and Stones, Vanni, sticks and stones....oh yeah, I've said that before, and still all you can do is degrade anyone who disagrees with you. Pitiful, just pitiful.
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You are as anti-Canadian as they come, Blue. You hate everything this country stands for and want to make it into nothing but a mini-me of the US.
Worse than that you would force your cult's beliefs onto the rest of us.
Keep talking though. Guys like you do more to convince people to vote against the Harperites than anything we could possibly say.
You are as anti-Canadian as they come, Blue. You hate everything this country stands for and want to make it into nothing but a mini-me of the US.
Worse than that you would force your cult's beliefs onto the rest of us.
Keep talking though. Guys like you do more to convince people to vote against the Harperites than anything we could possibly say.
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Again, not anti Canadian. I don't belong to any organizations other than local sports organizations, so don't think cult is appropriate. No, I don't want to make it into a mini-US, but I don't want to make it into a major socialist wonderland either. I have never said the US is perfect, far from it. Do I think they have good points? A great many. Do I think Canada has good points? A good many also, but not as many as we used to have.
Socialism sucks the life out of a country, taking all initiative and independent thought. Any time you are willing to turn virtually every decsion about your life over to a government, or in our case, non-elected judges who should interpret law, not make it, then the soul of a country is lost forever. Those of us on the right are fighting like hell to keep our soul, and get our reputation back to where it was prior to all the years of liberal rule we have been subjected to.
LIsten to the vets over the next little while, and what they say. In many ways, the country of today is not what they fought for, and they are saying it loud and clear if you want to actually listen.
Reverend Blair said:
Again, not anti Canadian. I don't belong to any organizations other than local sports organizations, so don't think cult is appropriate. No, I don't want to make it into a mini-US, but I don't want to make it into a major socialist wonderland either. I have never said the US is perfect, far from it. Do I think they have good points? A great many. Do I think Canada has good points? A good many also, but not as many as we used to have.
Socialism sucks the life out of a country, taking all initiative and independent thought. Any time you are willing to turn virtually every decsion about your life over to a government, or in our case, non-elected judges who should interpret law, not make it, then the soul of a country is lost forever. Those of us on the right are fighting like hell to keep our soul, and get our reputation back to where it was prior to all the years of liberal rule we have been subjected to.
LIsten to the vets over the next little while, and what they say. In many ways, the country of today is not what they fought for, and they are saying it loud and clear if you want to actually listen.
bluealberta said:
The Rev wanted to know what I thought about policies. I posted this some time ago on this thread, so will repeat, given the title of the thread.
That would make you a supporter of the Liberals, the Greens, or the Progressive Canadians, Blue.
You have no right to dictate what a woman does with her body.
Where they would have handed out traffic tickets. There is no profit margin in fighting crime.
There is no valid argument about it. As flawed as it is (generally because of concessions given to the US), it is the only agreement we've got...a small step in the right direction.
Not only is a national daycare program needed, but most Canadians recognize that.
Universality is at the heart of our system. If you take away universality the next thing that will happen is an erosion of much-needed programs. We've seen that happen in other programs. That would be especially true if the Conservatives were in power because they want to cut taxes for corporations and the rich and increase spending massively. As we've seen in the US, that kind of voodoo economics translates into cut to social programs.
You are supporting making a segment of our society just a little less equal than the rest of us because of traditions based in religious dogma. That is completely unacceptable.
So does every party. The Conservatives' plan is the most expensive and would shift us away from peacekeeping to supporting wars waged for oil.
Stephen Harper doesn't.
If you support ripping our system apart you will end up turning people away because of income level. At best you will be causing those without the money for private insurance to suffer substandard care.
There is no evidence at all that pot leads to harder drugs. That is a myth.
Prostitution does have many detrimental effects on society. Legalizing it so that it can be regulated mitigates many of those effects. It also serves to protect the prostitutes from violence.
Nobody is suggesting that we become isolationist. Just the opposite, actually...most parties want to expand trade with a variety of parties.
The US has not been playing fair though, and that needs to be addressed. We are holding all of the high cards here.
Yet the party you support has given no indication that it is any less corrupt and is unwilling to introduce legislation that would make such corruption more difficult to get away with. You want to solve corruption? Get rid of any donations not made by an eligible voter. Bring in proportional representation so no single party gets the kind of control that the Liberals (and Conservatives of the past) have had.
Scape said:
All the ones listed on the previous post that the Rev so kindly provided answers to.
I just wanted to post a link to an article on this site titled “Let's Treat the Disease, Not the Symptom”:
http://www.canadiancontent.net/commtr/article_768.html
I thought it was very well written and has some very good suggestions obviously relevant to many of the discussions surfacing.
I will make a comment on the notion that “Canadian values” are left wing values and any opinion right of center is anti-Canadian. There are foolish notions on both sides of that middle line. For example right wing views on g*y rights … who really gives a s**t if they want to get married, I mean are there not bigger axes to grind in the political spectrum, what is this the 18th century! Brutal! And on the left side, Kyoto, wow, that’s a whopper for anyone that knows how to crunch economic numbers … I’m all for environmental protection and such but really people … who needs an economy anyway, we can burn all our money and frolic in the Saskatchewan wheat fields for the rest of our days. Maybe the US will drop some food packs from planes so we can eat.
At the end of the day I like to think I try to gather the best of the both worlds. Just because I’d like to live in a competitive economy where the wages in my country are comparable to those south of the border, I don’t believe in being taxed to hell and gone and then double taxed on top of that to fund a government that clearly lacks checks and balances, and because I believe the government is swollen to the point of bursting unnecessarily doesn’t make me a greedy conservative pig … and just because I believe in g*y rights, legalized pot, what the united nations stands for, and environmental responsibly (without severe economic recourse) doesn’t make me a bleeding heart liberal. Is there a party out there that is fiscally right of center and socially left?? Does that not seem like the common sense ideal?
Is there at least some common ground across the country that the current system of governing is suffering badly regardless of the party running the show? How many scandals do we have to go through before there is enough momentum for parliamentary change? How many more questions must I ask before I stop this rant … err, I guess I’m done.
http://www.canadiancontent.net/commtr/article_768.html
I thought it was very well written and has some very good suggestions obviously relevant to many of the discussions surfacing.
I will make a comment on the notion that “Canadian values” are left wing values and any opinion right of center is anti-Canadian. There are foolish notions on both sides of that middle line. For example right wing views on g*y rights … who really gives a s**t if they want to get married, I mean are there not bigger axes to grind in the political spectrum, what is this the 18th century! Brutal! And on the left side, Kyoto, wow, that’s a whopper for anyone that knows how to crunch economic numbers … I’m all for environmental protection and such but really people … who needs an economy anyway, we can burn all our money and frolic in the Saskatchewan wheat fields for the rest of our days. Maybe the US will drop some food packs from planes so we can eat.
At the end of the day I like to think I try to gather the best of the both worlds. Just because I’d like to live in a competitive economy where the wages in my country are comparable to those south of the border, I don’t believe in being taxed to hell and gone and then double taxed on top of that to fund a government that clearly lacks checks and balances, and because I believe the government is swollen to the point of bursting unnecessarily doesn’t make me a greedy conservative pig … and just because I believe in g*y rights, legalized pot, what the united nations stands for, and environmental responsibly (without severe economic recourse) doesn’t make me a bleeding heart liberal. Is there a party out there that is fiscally right of center and socially left?? Does that not seem like the common sense ideal?
Is there at least some common ground across the country that the current system of governing is suffering badly regardless of the party running the show? How many scandals do we have to go through before there is enough momentum for parliamentary change? How many more questions must I ask before I stop this rant … err, I guess I’m done.
bluealberta said:
No, you misunderstand my question. I am looking for what you consider the centrist policies on the current Conservative platform. The reason why I ask this is your stating that the Conservatives are center-right not extreme right and what I am looking for is contrast on the platform and what qualifies as centrist and right as you see it. Be advised, I am not attempting to instigate a witch-hunt here and call out out as an extremist, I just want to calibrate your perspective beyond the rhetoric.
You'll have to expand on that a bit, Can't Take It. While there will be some short-term costs, the overall outlook for instituting Kyoto is good for the economy. If you know anything about economics at all, you know that the development and introduction of new technologies has always produced wealth. You also know that renovations to install insulation and new windows and doors produces jobs. You know that power production projects like hydro-electric facilities and wind farms produces jobs.
There is also the long-range impact on the economy if we don't do anything about global warming. The insurance is terrified of the impact of more severe weather. Droughts and floods cost our government millions, and will become more and more common as the earth warms. The impact of doing nothing has serious economic implications so the more we can reduce the severity of global warming, the better off we'll be in the future.
Global warming and the Kyoto accord should not be a left-right issue. It shouldn't ever have become politicized. That it has is testament to the unequal power weilded by the oil companies.
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