Until we learn what was discussed at the 2003 Bilderberg conference, I for one will always believe that the Conservatives under Harper have a hidden agenda...
How will a Conservative government be better?
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Federal Support for Health Care: The Facts
Exposing the Private Healthcare Industry
Conflicting info on the 50-50. However, no matter what way you slice it the Feds have been steadily lowering their financial contribution yet still trying to tell the province (via transfer payments) how the health act is to be implemented. This is why they system is in bad shape.
Exposing the Private Healthcare Industry
Conflicting info on the 50-50. However, no matter what way you slice it the Feds have been steadily lowering their financial contribution yet still trying to tell the province (via transfer payments) how the health act is to be implemented. This is why they system is in bad shape.
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I went there and read some of it, but did not have time to read it all. There is some very interesting stuff in what I did read, though, and will go back and finish it.
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Source Watch: The Heritage Foundation
The 10 points are leading questions that create a straw man argument but do not address the fact that the demographic is changing (thus creating more demand on the system) and that the federal government has been systematically withdrawing from their responsibility to pay for the system. Then from that comes up with an answer they have already come up with and tries to soft sell the idea.
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The real conservative health care agenda is the piece of crap that Manning and Harris, with the full support Ralph Klein, puked up for the Fraser Institute. The plan is to privatize us into a US-style system where the rich get better care than the poor.
If you think that the US system works, even as they desperately try to get away from it themselves, then go ahead and support Harper. Then you can pay more for less.
The real conservative health care agenda is the piece of crap that Manning and Harris, with the full support Ralph Klein, puked up for the Fraser Institute. The plan is to privatize us into a US-style system where the rich get better care than the poor.
If you think that the US system works, even as they desperately try to get away from it themselves, then go ahead and support Harper. Then you can pay more for less.
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i think that he mean that if you need a very serious operation or even several operation, and that you are in the middle class (not poor, but not rich) well, you dont have to sell your house to get it :lol:
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i think that he mean that if you need a very serious operation or even several operation, and that you are in the middle class (not poor, but not rich) well, you dont have to sell your house to get it :lol:
Trust me...if you are middle class, you are rich. Look around, it's not much of a sliding scale anymore.
There are a lot of working class people in the US without coverage or with inadequate coverage. A lot of that is because of the collapse of the unions.
Because of the way things are structured here in Canada, with many non-unionized employees having no coverage at all, it is likely that the disparity in coverage would be even greater
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The only crap is in that quote. Do some research on the US system before you say things like that. The US system is not totally private, any more than ours is totally public. As far as paying more, yes, but as far as being taxed much less, also yes. Net results for most is more dollars in your jeans to pay for more health coverage. As far as less services, I know if I could be taxed much less and pay slightly more for better service (ie: reduced wait times), I would hardly call it less. As I mentioned in an earlier post which kind of started this health care thing, I have relatives in the US and we often compare. Overall, for the same kind of income, their taxes are much less, their health costs somewhat higher and their wait times and access times much less. This is bad how?
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The only crap is in that quote. Do some research on the US system before you say things like that. The US system is not totally private, any more than ours is totally public. As far as paying more, yes, but as far as being taxed much less, also yes. Net results for most is more dollars in your jeans to pay for more health coverage. As far as less services, I know if I could be taxed much less and pay slightly more for better service (ie: reduced wait times), I would hardly call it less. As I mentioned in an earlier post which kind of started this health care thing, I have relatives in the US and we often compare. Overall, for the same kind of income, their taxes are much less, their health costs somewhat higher and their wait times and access times much less. This is bad how?
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it's bad when two guy, same age, same health condition, with same number of kid, etc need a very important surgery. guy A gain 25000$ per year, so he cant afford to pay for his surgery. he wait, and wait and wait, and finally die of complication while the surgery was made because he wait too much. Guy B gain 75000$ per year, so he dont wait since he pay, the surgery went perfectly, and the guy's still alive. isnt that a plausible scenario ?
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it's bad when two guy, same age, same health condition, with same number of kid, etc need a very important surgery. guy A gain 25000$ per year, so he cant afford to pay for his surgery. he wait, and wait and wait, and finally die of complication while the surgery was made because he wait too much. Guy B gain 75000$ per year, so he dont wait since he pay, the surgery went perfectly, and the guy's still alive. isnt that a plausible scenario ?
Actually guy A would get his surgery...he would then have to file for bankruptcy to paty his hospital bills. This is why georgie boy tightened up restrictions on the bankruptcy laws ensuring the big insurance companies would get their money. But lower taxes, yeah!!!!!!!!
Don't worry, I have.
You better check out what the costs are for comprehensive coverage in the US, add in co-pays and the possibility that you may not be covered for "pre-existing" conditions, then consider that your taxes still go to pay for Medicare for those who cannot afford insurance. You don't pay "a little more". Americans pay several times more per capita for health care than Canadians do. If we were to implement the Romanow Report and get our system working properly, Americans would still be paying more than twice as much per capita as we do.
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Obviously you haven't even read their report. Maybe you should before you start flapping you mouth. They explicitly reject following the U.S. system. Are you so myopic that you can't see that there are other, better systems out there that include private delivery? And where does our system rank again, according to the WHO?
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Obviously you haven't even read their report. Maybe you should before you start flapping you mouth. They explicitly reject following the U.S. system. Are you so myopic that you can't see that there are other, better systems out there that include private delivery? And where does our system rank again, according to the WHO?
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They dance around the fact that if we go to a privatized system, NAFTA will force us into adopting a US-style system. All it takes is one Chapter 11 suit and moving towards a private system opens the way for that.
They are writing for the Fraser Institute, who very much supports a US-style system. They ignore the only comprehensive study that has been done on the issue in favour of pushing the empty rhetoric of their corporate backers.
Manning was always too radically anti-Canadian to get his party elected. Harris was run out of office on a rail after he cut Ontario to the bone and could yet face criminal charges for his part in Ipperwash. Their biggest backer is drunken red neck who let old people eat dog food while he subsidized the oil industry. They are working for a think tank that does no research of its own, instead releasing policy papers based on ideological tripe that has been failing all over the world for twenty-five years and has led to millions of deaths in the developing world and the developed world alike.
Forgive me if I read between the lines of their report, MMMikey. I've been watching these guys in action for way too long.
They dance around the fact that if we go to a privatized system, NAFTA will force us into adopting a US-style system. All it takes is one Chapter 11 suit and moving towards a private system opens the way for that.
They are writing for the Fraser Institute, who very much supports a US-style system. They ignore the only comprehensive study that has been done on the issue in favour of pushing the empty rhetoric of their corporate backers.
Manning was always too radically anti-Canadian to get his party elected. Harris was run out of office on a rail after he cut Ontario to the bone and could yet face criminal charges for his part in Ipperwash. Their biggest backer is drunken red neck who let old people eat dog food while he subsidized the oil industry. They are working for a think tank that does no research of its own, instead releasing policy papers based on ideological tripe that has been failing all over the world for twenty-five years and has led to millions of deaths in the developing world and the developed world alike.
Forgive me if I read between the lines of their report, MMMikey. I've been watching these guys in action for way too long.
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If we allow expanded private care under our system, it leaves open the very real possibility that large US insurance providers will sue under chapter 11 of NAFTA for increased access to Canada. That would include demolishing anything that could be considered a government monopoly.
If (more like when) that happens, we would have little choice but to harmonize our system with the US system. Health care, like everything else, only remains off of the NAFTA table until we begin to treat it like a commodity. At that point private companies can sue for equal treatment and challenge government monopolies or any laws that cost them profits.
Check out what happened with the Ethyl Corporation and MMT, our magazine industry, and the pending suits about water exports, for examples.
If we allow expanded private care under our system, it leaves open the very real possibility that large US insurance providers will sue under chapter 11 of NAFTA for increased access to Canada. That would include demolishing anything that could be considered a government monopoly.
If (more like when) that happens, we would have little choice but to harmonize our system with the US system. Health care, like everything else, only remains off of the NAFTA table until we begin to treat it like a commodity. At that point private companies can sue for equal treatment and challenge government monopolies or any laws that cost them profits.
Check out what happened with the Ethyl Corporation and MMT, our magazine industry, and the pending suits about water exports, for examples.
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