How to Solve the Debt Problem

captain morgan

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See, the reason you're all idiots is that you're all happily following the Pied Pipers (Cap'n Morgan and Haemorrhoid) down the Zimbabwe path, not recognizing the key difference.

So, exactly what will you be planning on backstopping these trillion dollar bills with?

No, no, lemme guess

  1. Collaterized by the $1.63 trillion USDs in circulation [as of 03/21/2018]?
  2. Providing that uber confidence in those notes via the +21 trillion in already outstanding debt?

Hmmm, it's a toughie... I'll have to get back to you on this on how this is so drastically different from other nations that have attempted the same
 

OpposingDigit

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I already made my point that money (economics) is a myth.....

I should of added that money is doled out only what is required to keep the population under control and off the streets. Sometimes food price inflation is a deliberate way to redistribute money, as an example.

Money does grow on trees, but only in Upper Class neighbourhoods.

Inflation is caused by circumstances. Some caused by external forces and other examples by external forces. Historically, some examples happened while the world was on the gold standard and others while under Bretton Woods and more recently the fractional reserve currency.

“Moderate inflation in the short run – say 6 per cent for two years ... inflation is an unfair way of effectively writing down all non-indexed debts in the economy. … But it would significantly ameliorate the problems, making other steps less costly and more effective.”
--Kenneth Rogoff, Harvard economist (December 2008)--

“A budget deficit is inflationary if, and only if, it is financed in considerable part by printing money.”
--Milton Friedman (1912-2006), American economist--

“Inflationism ... is not an isolated phenomenon. It is only one piece in the total framework of politico-economic and socio-philosophical ideas of our time. Just as the sound money policy of gold standard advocates went hand in hand with liberalism, free trade, capitalism and peace, so is inflationism part and parcel of imperialism, militarism, protectionism, statism and socialism.”
--Ludwig von Mises (1881-1973), Austrian economist, On the Manipulation of Money and Credit, p. 48--

“Inflation and credit expansion, the preferred methods of present day government openhandedness, do not add anything to the amount of resources available. They make some people more prosperous, but only to the extent that they make others poorer.”
--Ludwig von Mises (1881-1973), Austrian economist, Bureaucracy p. 84--

“Inflation is the fiscal complement of statism and arbitrary government. It is a cog in the complex of policies and institutions which gradually lead toward totalitarianism.”
--Ludwig von Mises (1881-1973), Austrian economist, The Theory of Money and Credit, p. 468--

"The inflationism of the currency systems of Europe has proceeded to extraordinary lengths. The various belligerent Governments, unable, or too timid or too short-sighted to secure from loans or taxes the resources they required, have printed notes for the balance."
--John Maynard Keynes (1883-1946), British economist, (The Economic Consequences of the Peace, 1919)--

"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics."
--Mark Twain, (1835 - 1910)--

“The Cost of Living [has been] replaced by the Cost of Survival. The old system told you how much you had to increase your income in order to keep buying steak. The new system promised you hamburger, and then dog food, perhaps, after that.”
--John Williams, private economist--

“The consumer price index is being understated by at least 1 percent per year.”
--Bill Gross, professional investor--

"In reality, the right uses government all the time to advance its interest by setting rules that redistribute income upward."
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"To take the most obvious example: fighting inflation has come to be seen as the holy grail of central banks – a policy that it is supposed to be outside of the realm of normal political debate. On slightly more careful inspection, the inflation-fighting by the Fed and other central banks is actually a policy that is designed to ensure that the wages of ordinary workers do not grow too rapidly.
When central banks jack up interest rates to tame inflation, the CEOs at Goldman Sachs and JP Morgan won't be out on the street. The people who lose their jobs will be factory workers, store clerks and other less privileged workers. Raising unemployment among the group of less educated workers keeps their wages down. In other words, controlling inflation is about making sure that the wages of less educated workers don't rise relative to the wages of more educated workers. And the central banks have a licence to push as hard as they like in this direction."

--Dean Baker, The real effect of 'Reaganomics', February 07, 2011--
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/feb/07/ronald-reagan-republicans
 
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Tecumsehsbones

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So, exactly what will you be planning on backstopping these trillion dollar bills with?

No, no, lemme guess

  1. Collaterized by the $1.63 trillion USDs in circulation [as of 03/21/2018]?
  2. Providing that uber confidence in those notes via the +21 trillion in already outstanding debt?

Hmmm, it's a toughie... I'll have to get back to you on this on how this is so drastically different from other nations that have attempted the same

That you will. But you'll never get there with your Lejeune talk of "backstopping." Your head is still in the " golf-backed currency" era. You are literally incapable of conceiving the solution.
 

White_Unifier

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That you will. But you'll never get there with your Lejeune talk of "backstopping." Your head is still in the " golf-backed currency" era. You are literally incapable of conceiving the solution.

So educate us, dear teacher! It's your duty as a responsible citizen to make us educated voters too.

Are you just saying that because the bills would just be so damned big that the creditors would just not be able to spend the money elsewhere? No problem. Give it to a bank.
 

captain morgan

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That you will. But you'll never get there with your Lejeune talk of "backstopping." Your head is still in the " golf-backed currency" era. You are literally incapable of conceiving the solution.

It's backstopped by the notion that the national GDP can make good on those wee loan notes, and that's all they, or any currency really is.

That said, there are significant risks in having so much money in circulation, let alone bond, debt, etc... There is a greater opportunity for 3rd parties to attempt to manipulate that currency
 

Torch light

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It's blindingly simple, really. We print our own money!

So. . .

Print up 20 one-trillion dollar bills. Hand them to our creditors.

Problem solved. Next?

The Zionists of Tel Aviv have just printed their new currency.

But do whatever you can do; by all means you are declining.

The Chinese currency may prevail over you; I am optimistic also about the future Iraqi dinar, in spite of your feathers.
 

Torch light

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Before the Wicked Zionists appeared, the mini Zionists were buying eggs from the rural Arab.

Anyhow, before the appearance of the Wicked Zionists, Jews in Iraq were in good economic condition, better than Christians now and in the past.

Therefore, the first financial minister in the first Iraqi government was a Jew: Sassoon Eskell, because people knew these Jews were clever in the financial affairs. Anyhow, that Jew was patriot and gained much benefit to the Iraq economy in many occasions.

But that was before the coming of the Wicked Zionists of Tel Aviv.
 
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darkbeaver

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I'm sure Tekbones was being sarcastic in the OP. But he does raise a valid point. As government debt grows, what are its options? It can declare bankruptcy. But let's not assume that all lenders are rich bankers. Some working-class people manage to lend money to the government too. They won't be happy to learn that the government won't pay their money back.

The government could print its way out of debt. While inflation hurts everyone, it hurts the poor even more. The rich can hedge at least their discretionary income. The poor have no discretionary income to hedge against inflation so all they can do is take the brunt of it. If inflation were a tax, it would be a mostly regressive tax forcing the poor to pay a larger share of their income. That's not a good option either.

But what is the solution when government debts gets so out of control?

War.