Right, you mentioned them, not me... It's not slander to re-state what has already been stated. I'm not the only one who notices cherry picking. I'm not the only one who compared what you have said and done to the hockey stick fiasco either.
I mentioned them, and when you advised me of your position on them I acknowledged it. I even recall that I praised you on your discrimination while replying to someone else. It is slander to accuse me of continuing to lump you in with them when clearly I have not. As far as cherry picking goes, everyone on this thread does it, both pro and con.
Didn’t say you said significant. That’s what I was asking. Let’s see if I can phrase it better. Significant in that it would be a new specie significantly different from any of the old species, so that its ability to survive climate fluctuations would be in question. That better?Where did I say significant? I don't even know what you mean by that, not exactly well framed Extra.
Possible to evolve in a short time, most definitely.
My understanding of evolution is that it’s a lengthy process, unless you’re referring to punk eek, which I’m not too sure of. In any event, any specie which has evolved quickly and recently and has not experience major temperature fluctuations may be doomed naturally, since such fluctuations are inevitable.
OK, valid point, but considering that the earth does go through constant temperature fluctuations of varying magnitude, then species that could only tolerate a narrow thermal envelope would be going extinct rather frequently as a natural process. Thus I would have to conclude that any such species alive today is doomed, with or without the help of mankind, as mentioned above.Here is what was said:
LGilbert:
Funny, I was given to understand that some species are highly sensitive to temperature change of even fractions of degrees.
Extrafire quotes and responds:
Some people like you to believe that. Any species that is wouldn't have survived previous temperature fluctuations which were much greater than we're experiencing now.
I responded that this was a fallacy because, it assumes that any species alive today, would have to be unphased by small changes due to past changes which were larger, ignoring that thermal stress isn't due to the magnitude of change, but due to whatever thermal envelope a species can tolerate. It could be a very small change in some species, and very large in others. This is abundantly clear from the fossil record, and from what we know about the physiology of the animals here with us right now.
Well here’s what I said: “Any species that is wouldn't have survived previous temperature fluctuations which were much greater than we're experiencing now.” I don’t see any reason that anyone would think that I was referring to all previous fluctuations. You’re just misrepresenting me again.The second part where I said all was due to your choice of language. Had you said, "some of which were larger..." well then that's another ball of wax altogether.
One new finding that contradicts the trend, most definitely contradicts a trend. How can it be otherwise? I didn’t say it negates the trend, only that it contradicts it, which it most clearly does. Are you deliberately playing dense again?One new finding does not contradict a trend. To even suggest such a thing shows how ignorant you are of anything related to statistical treatment. Ridiculous!
I respect your science. However your adherence to AGW doctrine is not science.What you call dogma, scientists call science.
A single observation that contradicts a trend still contradicts a trend.What you call a contradicted trend, a scientist would call a single observation.