I'd like to see one province set the example and unilaterally drop all intentional trade barriers against other provinces.
How Canada could thrive without NAFTA
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I'd like to see one province set the example and unilaterally drop all intentional trade barriers against other provinces.
Poor LIE-berals!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Trying so VERY HARD to distract us from so many ugly realities!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The old NAFTA deal partly protected Cdn farmers from Yankee competition!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Our dairy farmers benefited most!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And our health benefited as well since our dairy products were not laced with Yankee bovine growth hormones!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And some people considered that protecting and maintaining Cdn farm industry was a good idea since California is running out of water for famr irrigation and when they run out - the supply of vegetables to Canada will run out as well!
AS for LIE-berals whining about bulk water shipments- it was LIE-berals like Chretien and Pierre Trudeau how thought that was a nice money maker for Cdns!
AS for autos.......well- we KNOW LIE-berals want to kill off all makers of gas powered cars!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Its just too bad about the hundreds of millions of dollars Wynne-bag LIE-berals gave to Japanese auto makers operating here in Ontari-owe- it may be tough getting that money repaid in the LIE-beral economic climate they are building for us!
http://www.naharnet.com/stories/en/...-no-concessions-on-agriculture-in-nafta-talks
As the fourth and final day of negotiations got underway between Canada's Foreign Minister Chrystia Freeland and U.S. Trade Representative Robert Lighthizer, Canada's managed dairy market remained a roadblock.
http://www.scoopyweb.com/2018/09/trump-threatens-to-exclude-canada-from.html
Washington (AFP) - US President Donald Trump on Saturday threatened to exclude Canada from a new NAFTA agreement after negotiations to rewrite the pact ended without an agreement the night before.
"There is no political necessity to keep Canada in the new NAFTA deal. If we don't make a fair deal for the U.S. after decades of abuse, Canada will be out," he tweeted.
"Congress should not interfere with these negotiations or I will simply terminate NAFTA entirely & we will be far better off."
US-Canadian trade talks are set to resume on Wednesday, and Ottawa and Washington still have time to reach an agreement that would keep Canada in the 25-year-old trade pact with Mexico.
But Trump's tweet seemed designed to ramp up pressure on Canadian negotiators.
As the fourth and final day of negotiations got underway between Canada's Foreign Minister Chrystia Freeland and U.S. Trade Representative Robert Lighthizer, Canada's managed dairy market remained a roadblock.
http://www.scoopyweb.com/2018/09/trump-threatens-to-exclude-canada-from.html
Washington (AFP) - US President Donald Trump on Saturday threatened to exclude Canada from a new NAFTA agreement after negotiations to rewrite the pact ended without an agreement the night before.
"There is no political necessity to keep Canada in the new NAFTA deal. If we don't make a fair deal for the U.S. after decades of abuse, Canada will be out," he tweeted.
"Congress should not interfere with these negotiations or I will simply terminate NAFTA entirely & we will be far better off."
US-Canadian trade talks are set to resume on Wednesday, and Ottawa and Washington still have time to reach an agreement that would keep Canada in the 25-year-old trade pact with Mexico.
But Trump's tweet seemed designed to ramp up pressure on Canadian negotiators.
No kidding. It's time for Canada to cultivate its own oranges and then encourage our orange farmers to compete with the world.
It's economy or its manufacturers? Manufacturing is but one part of a healthy economy. Consumers need to become better organized.
How so? Do you suggest that consumption does not represent part of the economy? Did you know that even manufacturers consume, be it machinery, power, and raw materials to produce what they manufacture, and if you raise tariffs on what they consume, they'll need to pass those tariffs on to consumers?
Not only that, but because it raises their overhead costs, import tariffs could make it harder for them to then export their products too. I thought you knew that.
Consumers tend to support local businesses and on-line shopping may change that a bit the delivery services are still local businesses.
Who determines what is on the shelves, the Merchants or the Consumers? I tend to think it is the men with the money as all Merchants are in business because the banks were willing to float a loan, on their terms.
Own 51% is all that is needed to call the shots while having a different name on the door and that is for public consumption. Let's say the parent company that owns the coal mines in the US also owns the coal in Argentina. The coal the US imports from there is said to be needed as US coal does not burn clean by itself and the care and welfare of the locals is first on the list even though they now take home less money while the parent company takes more profit in the country where people are at slave wages and that is a demand placed by the bankers rather that people with a few shares.
Company Farms run the same way Company Towns do. Colonies support the motherland rather that it being the other way around where the Queen sends money to Canada and the UK picks up the bill. Company Nation is now a possibility with everybody being under one umbrella, the banks that tend to have tight purse strings rather than loose ones.
6% flat rate for banking fees and Merchants pay interest on their loans as 99% of the transactions are theirs, the other 94% stays in permanent circulation. Making banking an essential service would make it a '.org' so it runs at cost unlike the Clingon Foundation.
If Business Owners got protection from the wanton massacres the Royals inflicted in them from time to time through the Magna Carta perhaps it is time Consumers demanded the same protection and Merchants would have to start delivering heritage items rather than goods with a terminal lifespan builtin so there was always a demand. Today Merchants serve 15% of the global population, that would change to 100% so it isn't like they would be going out of business, profits would take a big hit. 3% max per year.
The US/World Bank is unwilling to take that path so the countries that would prefer that other path are taking it and with another option being available nations can no longer be forced to stay in the US system of suffer like Cuba has as well as a host of other places.
Consumers might demand they have one authority over them, Merchants or Royals and having both is being double billed for the same service, one has to go.
Who determines what is on the shelves, the Merchants or the Consumers? I tend to think it is the men with the money as all Merchants are in business because the banks were willing to float a loan, on their terms.
Own 51% is all that is needed to call the shots while having a different name on the door and that is for public consumption. Let's say the parent company that owns the coal mines in the US also owns the coal in Argentina. The coal the US imports from there is said to be needed as US coal does not burn clean by itself and the care and welfare of the locals is first on the list even though they now take home less money while the parent company takes more profit in the country where people are at slave wages and that is a demand placed by the bankers rather that people with a few shares.
Company Farms run the same way Company Towns do. Colonies support the motherland rather that it being the other way around where the Queen sends money to Canada and the UK picks up the bill. Company Nation is now a possibility with everybody being under one umbrella, the banks that tend to have tight purse strings rather than loose ones.
6% flat rate for banking fees and Merchants pay interest on their loans as 99% of the transactions are theirs, the other 94% stays in permanent circulation. Making banking an essential service would make it a '.org' so it runs at cost unlike the Clingon Foundation.
If Business Owners got protection from the wanton massacres the Royals inflicted in them from time to time through the Magna Carta perhaps it is time Consumers demanded the same protection and Merchants would have to start delivering heritage items rather than goods with a terminal lifespan builtin so there was always a demand. Today Merchants serve 15% of the global population, that would change to 100% so it isn't like they would be going out of business, profits would take a big hit. 3% max per year.
The US/World Bank is unwilling to take that path so the countries that would prefer that other path are taking it and with another option being available nations can no longer be forced to stay in the US system of suffer like Cuba has as well as a host of other places.
Consumers might demand they have one authority over them, Merchants or Royals and having both is being double billed for the same service, one has to go.
We didn't have NAFTA for 127 of our 151 years as a confederation and lo and behold, we're here!
No deal is better than a bad one.
What a foolish comment. Obviously you need to read some history books with an emphasis on job creation,standard of living etc..
BTW for most of Canadas history we didnt have antibiotics, year round highways, electricity and yes in a pinch we could do without many things.
Only a fool would want to.
North Korea is still around too. Between surviving and thriving, I'd rather Canada thrive.
"...ease the regulatory burden at home and invest heavily in the kind of infrastructure that will make trade easier – all to hedge against the risk of an increasingly protectionist and inward-looking U.S...." Under the current Cdn gov't, its unlikely that'll happen. They LOVE regulations that cost us billions of dollars so that's not gonna happen anytime soon.
Maybe Iceland will be a trading partner? (or are they still 'black listed', never mind, stupid question) Looks like civil war is back on the table.
You must be too young to remember but, not only did most of us have jobs pre-NAFTA, everyone's standard of living was relatively higher, then. Our buying power has steadily eroded over the last thirty plus years. Most Middle Class Canadians were far better off in the 1970s than we are today. You're either having memory problems or you're too young to know how much globalization has chipped away at the North American Middle Class.
So wrong. As I noted earlier, I am not prepared to discuss with someone who obviously has no idea what he is talking about.
Have a grrreat day!
Yes it was great living in a house with seven others . One bathroom , only a tub , no shower . Three bedrooms two to a room , ops sister needed her own room . Three boys in one room .life was so much simpler then .
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Actually McCain Foods based in New Brunswick is - or was the largest producer of frozen orange juice in the world!!!!!!!!!!!
Just one fine example of why LIE-beral style trade negotiations will NEVER WORK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It ALL comes back to NATIONAL SECURITY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks to LIE-berals we have NO SECURITY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Other countries KILL ISIS fighters so they cannot come home!
Our idiot Boy Justin WELCOMES ISIS fighters back to Canada and encourages them to "be a powerful voice in our country"!
Yankees worry about Muslims setting up terror bases in Canada -from which they can attack United States!!!!!!!!!!
Our idiot Boy thinks Muslims will make fine Cdns- since he HATES Yankees- just like his vile father Pierre!!!!!!
Yankees hold the ions share of our foreign debt and they fear LIE-berals are running up our debts in preparation for a major debt default!!!!!!!!!!!
LIE-berals are facing HARSH economic choices!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The money haqs run out and the national credit cards are maxed out!!!!
But LIE-berals have made HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS OF DOLLARS worth of pension promises to civil service union Hogs and it is mney we do NOT have!!!!!!!!!!!!
LIE-berals are facing an UGLY CHOICE: do they screw over ordinary Cdns who mostly HATE LIE-berals already?????????
Or do LIE-berals screw over the civil service Hog who put them into power in the first place??????????
LIE-berals know that they MUST BUY HOG votes or disappear as a party- but each bought Hog vote enrages MORE ordinary Cdns!!!!!!!!!
Buying Hog votes has become counter productive for LIE-berals!!!!!!!!!!
Ontari-owe LIE-berals tried to do an end run around public opinion by selling Hydro One and turning our electrical system into a giant slush fund!!!!!!!!!!!
Federal LIE-berals KNOW there is a moral in the Wynne-bag election mess- but they are not smart enough to get out from under their LIES!!!!!!
LIE-berals insist that deficits are good for us- but neglect to count the pay back cost!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LIE-berals tell us that immigration is good for us as we get skilled people to help build our economy- and then LIE-beral Hypocrites bring in swarms of people with NO SKILLS and no education and no ability even to speak enough English to find the welfare office on their own!!!!!!!!!!!!
LIE-berals tell us they are going to "improve" Nafta- BY DESTROYING IT!!!!!!!!!
Yankees want improvements in Cdn national security- and many Cdns think it is a DISGRACE that we must rely on FBI to protect us from Muslim terrorists!!!!!!!!!!!!
Our idiot Boy Justin thinks women`s rights and native issues should be addressed by NAFTA- while Yankees are irritated and insulted that Cdns see nothing wrong with HIDING behind Yankee military - without the bother of having any real Cdn military capacity!!!!!!!!
Our idiot Boy DEMANDS that Yankees use their military to protect us from North Korean missiles and yet he is outraged that Trump would expect some payback in the form of a dairy deal!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Clueless LIE-beral twits!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The two biggest influences on our economy are debt and civil service union Hog pensions!!!!!!!!
Debt and Hog pensions are driven by LIE-beral vote buying so they can cling to power at any price!!!!!!
LIE-beral friendly Cdn news media STOPPED talking about the hundreds of billions of dollars worth of civil service union Hog pension IOU`s that had been issued by LIE-beral govts at all levels!!!!!!!!!!!
Over $300 billion dollars in LIE-beral pension IOU`s promised to federal union Hogs- with the amoiunt growing by the year as interest on the outstanding pension debt clicks over............
At least $55 billion dollars promised by Ontari-owe LIE-berals to OSSTF - our high school teachers- with EIGHTEEN MORE HOG UNIONS RIGHT BEHIND OSSTF- and all with theirb own IOU`s!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Then there are the municipalities with MORE BILLIONS in LIE-beral pension IOU`!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Then we need to add in the multiple billions LIE-berals have promised to Crown Corps such as E-health, Metrolinx, the colleges and universities- where senior staffers DEMANDED a 50 percent raise in pay SHORTLY before the June election- talk about timing!!!!!!!!
Our debts are no so huge the interest on those debts is rapidly becoming the dominant spending item on govt lists!!!!!!!!!
Debt WOULD BECOME the biggest single expense item for govt if we ever began making serious efforts to pay bavk what we owe!!!!!!!!!!!!
LIE-berals want to kick the debt down the road and leave it for somebody else!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sensible people know that the LEAST WE should be doing is NOT PILING UP MORE DEBT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sadly- as LIE-beral Wynne-bag has demonstrated- LIE-berals CANNOT get elected UNLESS they BUY VOTES!!!!!!!!!
Our idiot Boy Justin is running into just this problem!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The money has run out and the Sunny |Ways are getting STORMY!!!!!!!!!!!!!