How can we get rid of our sinfulness?

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look3467 said:
If you look at the words: born again as told by Jesus; would it not make you wonder why the word “again” is used?

Would it mean that the first birth is death? There by necessitation a rebirth? But how then can we be reborn if we are already born once?

That’s the 64 thousand dollar question?

If you can understand the answer, you will know that you have salvation in hand!

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Which of those 4 questions is the $64,000 question?
 
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sanctus said:
Why can you not understand how utterly insane this idea is? Saved for all time, such complete heretical nonsense! Many of the German people who fell into Nazism were Christians. do you mean to suggest that those who perpetuated atrocities on other people which most of us can not even conceive of are still saved? In essence, your thinking is giving permission for people to do the most horrendous things and still they are "saved". It is amazing you can accept such a heresy.No work needed, no soul cleansing, no admission of sins or needs to improve. Just get that ole Holy Spirit, born-again, yeah Brother, in you and you can do exactly as you please!
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It's not only heretical, it's extremely irrational, and sociopathic, as well.
 
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look3467 said:
Now, just quoting it to prove a point, had no meaning.

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Isn't that what you do? Quote scripture to prove points?
You told Csanopal, "You have shown yourself approved unto God by the very verses you quoted."
Oh, but you have heart and I don't, right? So nothing I say has any meaning. :roll:
Holy crap! I haven';t seen arrogance like this in an really long time.
 
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RomSpaceKnight said:
En arche en ho logos, kai ho logos en pros ton theon, kai theos en ho logos,
"In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God" (John 1:1).

My point being that in the beginning was God. The word followed and is a human invention. To name something is to know it, to have discovered it. We give him/it/her a name and think we have mastered god. We call him JHVH, Buddha, Allah, Jesus and stand ther and proudly say this is god. We are in effect conditioning him to our image based on our mythologies, local geography and ethno-centric ideals. Who are we to say "This is God"? Are we that arrogant of a creature?
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Quite right. So there is nothing that says these gods weren't created in man's image except "faith". Big deal. People have faith in Santa Claus and gremlins. People have faith in leprachauns and goblins.
 
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look3467 said:
Your looking at a wrong attitude Sanctus. Those are the words of one who holds not the words of God most precious.

If that person’s heart were for God and of God, then it would behoove them to live justly, not trample over the promise of the free gift of unconditional love.


It would be like telling a 13 year old going on into its teenage years that your love for him/her is unconditional and they thinking “wow!, I can do anything and get away with it”.

Would that not be a selfish thought? What motive would there be to live right?
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Human beings have weak moments, so are extemely likely to sin sometime in their lives. Yet here you are explaining that they are saved anyway and there's no need to answer for the weak moment. As I said before, this attitude is extremely irrational.
 
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look3467 said:
Mature folk need not any other foundation but that which Jesus laid down.

If you stand on it,you will be on firm standings and nothing can prevail against you.

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This marriage has withstood a fair bundle of nasties and has not been shaken, but it has had no need of fantasies to do that. What it took to withstand the crap was confidence & trust in each other, reason, and willpower.
Edit: Shelley told me to add that we've been that way for almost 3 decades.
 
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look3467 said:
I on the other hand stand on the foundation which Christ has laid, and there is absolutely nothing that can sway me off of it. (I enlist the scriptures as my school master)
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Or rather on the foundation of your interpretation which seems to differ than the rest of the planet's interpretation. So everyone else is wrong, and you are right .............. according to you.

It is my secure foundation and I stand firm on it.
I have benefited from all the human sacrifices that went into making the bible what it is today and am most grateful and appreciative that I give God all the glory that this heart can muster.
I have matured and waiting for my final redemption, of which I wait with great expectancy.
I no longer hope because I have it found it.

Hope you find it too!

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Standing on one lone interpretation seems to be a pretty presumptuous and risky behavior. But, that's only my opinion.
 
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Yeah, well, the book says so. But then the book also says that god is jealous, a mass-murderer, etc.
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That is a terrible thing to say. Why do you want to come her and say things like that? ARe you trying to troll or do ;you want to hurt Christians. The bible doesn't say anything like that at all.
 
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linda t said:
That is a terrible thing to say. Why do you want to come her and say things like that? ARe you trying to troll or do ;you want to hurt Christians. The bible doesn't say anything like that at all.
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I like to get people to think about what they believe in rather than be sheep and accept what they're told.
Concerning the jealousy:
Deut. 5.1-21 1 And God spake all these words, saying,
2 ¶ I am the L[SIZE=-1]ORD[/SIZE] thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
3 ¶ Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
4 ¶ Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
5 thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: Ex. 34.17 · Lev. 19.4 ; 26.1 · Deut. 4.15-18 ; 27.15 for I the L[SIZE=-1]ORD[/SIZE] thy God am a jealous God, .........
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Concerning the mass murder:
According to the bible, deaths attributed to this Christian god = 2,270,365, which, of course, greatly underestimates God's total death toll, since it only includes those killings for which specific numbers are given. Not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc.
 
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