How can we get rid of our sinfulness?

eh1eh

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Like many people, we tend to want to see only those things in an organization that we want to. So that, if we begin with a negative concept, even those things done in good will be viewed through this prism we have created.

You got me there Sanctus. Dwelling on the negative will only create a focus on it. I like the prism analoge, as foucus is often twist by our experiences.
 

sanctus

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You got me there Sanctus. Dwelling on the negative will only create a focus on it. I like the prism analoge, as foucus is often twist by our experiences.


True indeed. Most things are that way, when you think about it. I am not above that myself, for like you I look and find things that confirms my beginning premise. In doing so, I ignore evidence for the "other side" since it does not conform itself to my pre-conceived notions.

It's a real struggle to let preconception go in dealing with the world.
 

marygaspe

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True indeed. Most things are that way, when you think about it. I am not above that myself, for like you I look and find things that confirms my beginning premise. In doing so, I ignore evidence for the "other side" since it does not conform itself to my pre-conceived notions.

It's a real struggle to let preconception go in dealing with the world.

And that is surely something we all do. In fact, is is far easier to find negative things to say and see than positive, for some reason!
 

eh1eh

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I positively think that belief in superstitions is positively unnecessary. :D

I affirmativly think you positively correct.
 

L Gilbert

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Well, thank you. :)
She thinks she is. I think it's me that's lucky.
Cute? I always thought the folks at Sesame Street modeled Oscar the Grouch after me. Every time I look in mirror I think I look like I'm gonna bite my head off for something. lol
 

Tihigh

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Have Mercy on me a sinner [Luke 18:10-14]
There were two men who came to the temple, one was justifying himself saying Lord thank you for making me a good man, I pay my taxes to the Church, I give alms, I study the Law of the prophets, I am really good, but that man on the corner is a publican, he truly is a sinner, I am happy that I am not like Him. In the mean time the other man was beating his breast saying: Lord have mercy on me, I am a sinner.
Jesus said that the second man went home justified because he accepted that He was a sinner. Someone called Jesus good and He rebuked Him saying there is only one who is Good, the Father in Heaven. Therefore, we are no good, and the more we think we are, the more evil we become because we allow pride to take the better of us.
We must understand that the only reason why Christ died for us is because His goodness makes up for the evil in us. We have offended God starting with Adam to the last man, and the offence is of infinite value because it is done not to something finite but to God who is Almighty and Infinite in all His perfections. So the offence had to be paid with coin of infinite value which is Christ Our Lord.
We have an infinite debt with Him, if we aspire to live eternally. How can we pay? God knows what we are made of and He only expects us to believe in Him, to believe in His Son and to accept His Salvation. He has called us to repent and to amend our lives, to love Him and to love our neighbour.
The just man sins seven times a day, so we must indeed sin many more times than him, we have to accept that we are sinners and we must shed tears of repentance for our sins.
To appreciate the Love of God for us, we must become familiar with the Passion, agony and death of Our Lord Jesus Christ, our King. This way we will know Him more and this knowledge will grow into great love for God. At the same time we will understand the role of Mary in our Salvation, because it is through Mary that Jesus came into the world and we must realise the debt that we have to her, who is our Mother and Queen.
God is infinitely merciful [Psalm 103], but we must come to the Throne of Mercy to obtain pardon for our sins, we must truly feel sorry of having crucified Jesus on the cross and we must come to Him with humility, because without Him there is no Salvation.
He has set up his throne of Mercy in the confessional box, where He listens through the priest in order that we may humble ourselves. By confessing our sins to another man we are giving witness that Jesus is Our Saviour, and that He is still alive through the Sacraments of His Church. I will be with you until the end of times [Matthew 28:20].
The Sacrament of Reconciliation produces the fruit of peace in our souls and prepares us to be worthy to receive the Precious Body and Blood of Jesus in the Sacrament of the Holy Eucharist.

http://www.canadachill.com/ is the answer your looking for sunny....
 

look3467

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I don't believe human beings are capable of unconditional love. They say they are, thye think they are, but when tested, they fail every time... Only God loves that way. And those who love Jesus will try to love that way but will usually fail.

My point was missed entirely by all of you after reading the responses to date.

Here is my point: Unconditionally: If Christ died for all mankind unconditionally, then we as Christ-like people should also unconditionally accept one another as brothers and sisters.

That being the case then: if a brother happens to be an enemy, I must love Him, if I am to be like Christ.

If Christ loved the ones who killed Him, then I too must love the ones who persecute me, by forgiving them their sin against me.

We as flesh have not the capability to love unconditionally, as noted by some of you, but Christ is!

If Christ is then in you, He is the one who unconditionally forgives you're enemies by you.

That is why it in imperative that we have Christ in us, as Jesus was quote: :read2:Joh 10:30 I and the Father are one.

The Father was in-dwelling in Jesus (in spirit) as the power in Jesus to survive to the end, the punishment inflicted by mankind, and the final rejection of the Father, when the Father turned His head away from Him at the last moment. Quote: Mar 15:34 And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

That was the pang of death that Jesus endured for us. The pang of death was separation from the Father as Jesus had on Him the sins of the world and the Father could not look upon Him.

That hurt Jesus more than all the beatings, the nails and the rejection of His fellow humans, for He loved the Father with all His mind, body and soul as He also loved every human being: His neighbor.
Jesus' heart burst! Joh 19:34 howbeit one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and straightway there came out blood and water.

Blood represents life of the body and water represents the flesh. Together which is: a marriage is therefore annulled?

Separation between God and mankind is annulled, and death and hell eliminated.

Isa 28:18 Your treaty with death will be wiped away. Your agreement with the grave will not stand. When the overwhelming disaster passes by, you will be trampled by it.

The scourge of mankind was upon Him and was trampled by it!

My friends, the love Jesus had for you and me was so fierce, that He risked His own soul to eternal damnation.
But God would not have it: for way before Jesus ever came to this earth, God predicted His outcome: Psa 16:10 For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

The Father resurrected Jesus and His body, which is why at the resurrection Jesus has no blood running in His veins.

That body is what we are reckoned with, as dead, buried and resurrected with Him.

Rom 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:












 

marygaspe

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My point was missed entirely by all of you after reading the responses to date.

Here is my point: Unconditionally: If Christ died for all mankind unconditionally, then we as Christ-like people should also unconditionally accept one another as brothers and sisters.




That may very well be true, in a utopian sense, but in reality is is hard, if not impossible, for people to love without any conditions what-so-ever.
 

marygaspe

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Well, thank you. :)
She thinks she is. I think it's me that's lucky.
Cute? I always thought the folks at Sesame Street modeled Oscar the Grouch after me. Every time I look in mirror I think I look like I'm gonna bite my head off for something. lol


Nice image! But I'm not too sure about he grouch, I kinda think my husband is vying for the job too! All these years of being married to him and I still don't get what he is so crabby for!:)
 

m_levesque

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True indeed. Most things are that way, when you think about it. I am not above that myself, for like you I look and find things that confirms my beginning premise. In doing so, I ignore evidence for the "other side" since it does not conform itself to my pre-conceived notions.

It's a real struggle to let preconception go in dealing with the world.

God gives us our will to do what you want, and because of our ignorance, selfishness, pride, blindness, weakness, lack of faith, you name it, etc:
- we don't see Jesus Death's is for us,
- we are not truly sorry for our sins,
- we don't know that if without God's Mercy, we are doomed for eternity in the fire of Hell.
- we don't see that our sins hurt Jesus enough.
- we don't thank Him enough for His Death and resurrection.

We are so blinded by our sins!
 

m_levesque

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God's forgiveness is like give a child a candy after he has fallen from his bike. I have managed to be a good person and forgiven myself when I has sinned. My reward for such an act. I do not have to bow down, drop my your knees, become a worthless child and be humiliated by a book. I have dealt with my deamons in the past and still stugle today with some. But I don't see why people suject themselves to such humiliation, when they can make themselves stronger by accepting their sin and not weaking to the control of that book. The bible is a tool of the church. Could be called, Subjegation for Dummies.

That sinful nature is originated from the original fall of our ancestor, Adam and Eve. Because Adam and Eve sinned, the relationship between men and God was broken.
Because God is LOVE, God does not want men to be condemned forever.
Because God is JUST the broken relationship has to be mended.

But there is no way for men to mend such a huge gap, therefore, God send His only begotten son to this world, become a member of mankind, carry the Cross for us all and died for us all. His precious blood washed away our sins, mended the gap between men and God satisfied the just wrath of God. Through the sacrifice of Jesus, men once again could stand before God. That’s how our baptism washed away our original sin and all the sins before baptism.

However, because of our fallen nature, we continue to sin. That is where confession, the Sacrament of Reconciliation comes in. When we sin, we go to the confessional, confess our sins to the priest, the representative of Christ, to receive the forgiveness once again from God.
 

csanopal

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However, because of our fallen nature, we continue to sin. That is where confession, the Sacrament of Reconciliation comes in. When we sin, we go to the confessional, confess our sins to the priest, the representative of Christ, to receive the forgiveness once again from God.

First, the penalty for sin is death according to the bible. St. Paul said it succinctly in Rom 6:23: For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

In this case, death is not merely the physical shut-down of our bodies, but eternal separation from God. The purpose for life in this light can be seen as an opportunity to choose to be with God for eternity (repent of our sin and be forgiven) or turn away from God forever (die unforgiven of our sin). Since God gives us a choice to sin or not to sin, then ultimately it is our choice to be with God in heaven or live apart from him in Hell.

Second, Jesus Christ was not just some great teacher or prophet or miracle worker, he was God Himself. Not only did he claim as much (John 14:6-11), but also proved it with his miracles (John 15:24).

Born separated from God, we are all pre-disposed towards sin, especially once we reach an age of reason and become mature enough to order our God-given free will away from doing good at all times. In other words, our sinful actions disqualify us from an eternity with God, and no good deed is good enough to make up for our sins.

This second point is not just some theological innovation made up by the Church, but the logical conclussion of Jewish beliefs which required the annual sacrifice of a lamb in the Temple to attone for a year of sins. Even for them, good deeds could not make up for our sins. Only the life taken from an umblemished creature could do that. Christ, being both sinless and eternal, becomes our final sacrifice that is sufficient for sins commited by everyone.

The need for our salvation then is freely offered by our sinless God with his own death on the cross. Having lived a sinless life, Christ offers us his own death in place of our own to assume the penalty of our actions that we deserve. Placing faith in Jesus Christ and asking him to indwell within you assures us of our spiritual salvation when we physically die. That is the promise of God, which is why we Catholics share this good news with others.

If one wants the gift of salvific assurance, then all one would have to do is take account of one's sins, acknowledge one's need for a savior, and pray to receive Christ the way one would receive a gift. Then one should seek out a Catholic Church and ask the priest for guidance to ensure one's faith is properly disposed to receive Christ fully at a mass (classes are required for non-Catholics) and partake of the sacraments to shed our sinfulness while still on earth. We call this process living the life of grace.
 

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That may very well be true, in a utopian sense, but in reality is is hard, if not impossible, for people to love without any conditions what-so-ever.

It's always the same, really. We aspire to high ideals, but in truth we will always fall short. No issue in
trying, but we have to be realistic and see that unconditional love is always tempered with personal agendas.
 

eh1eh

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M_levesque. I know you are a cristian, but lets get philosophical for a moment.

_For the old Gods came to an end long ago. And verily it was a good and
joyful end of Gods!
They did not die lingering in the twilight--although that lie is told!
On the contrary, they once upon a time laughed themselves to death!
That came to pass when, by a God himself, the most ungodly word was
uttered, the word: "There is but one God! Thou shalt have no other Gods
before me."
An old grim beard of a God, a jealous one, forgot himself thus.
And then all Gods laughed and shook on their chairs and cried: "Is
Godliness not just that there are Gods, but no God?"
Whoever hath ears let him hear._
_"Thus Spake Zarathrustra"_--FRIEDRICH NIETZSCHE

I think he makes a point. But would you entertain the thought of God being dead.
 

marygaspe

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My point was missed entirely by all of you after reading the responses to date.

Here is my point: Unconditionally: If Christ died for all mankind unconditionally, then we as Christ-like people should also unconditionally accept one another as brothers and sisters.

That being the case then: if a brother happens to be an enemy, I must love Him, if I am to be like Christ.

True. But, this is difficult, even for a Christian. We are so controlled and conditioned by our self-awareness
 

marygaspe

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I think he makes a point. But would you entertain the thought of God being dead.

Catholicism is the correct Faith because it was founded by Jesus.

And Jesus is the Son of God, sent by the Father for the salvation of mankind.