How can we get rid of our sinfulness?

[Dexter Sinister]

hey dexter what actually you are trying to achive by finding mistake in other's post instead you should pay attention to your own posts

I pay very careful attention to what I write in my own posts. That should be obvious to anybody. I'm not trying to find mistakes in other people's posts, though I'll certainly point them out when I think I see them. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt over language issues here, and I always try to be aware of the potential for misunderstandings when all we have is words, without tone of voice or body language, but really, I can't understand that sentence any other way but as an attempt to tell me to shutup, and that's not acceptable. You want to try again, or is that really what you meant?

 

[vinod1975]

okay I accept and give all due respect to your valued comments and belive you me no offence and no disrespect, but still I am able to communicate in your language can you communicate in my laguage and thats Hindi....

 

[Dexter Sinister]

okay I accept and give all due respect to your valued comments and belive you me no offence and no disrespect, but still I am able to communicate in your language can you communicate in my laguage and thats Hindi....

No, I can't communicate in Hindi. English is all I've got, and I've spent much of my adult life trying to learn to use it as well as I can. English is not your first language so obviously you'll be less fluent in it than you are in HIndi. That's not a criticism, it's just a fact. I know you're trying hard, and I appreciate that and make an extra effort to understand you. You're obviously a smart and educated person who's worth the effort, and worth knowing. But sometimes I don't understand you. So we try again, right?

 

[vinod1975]

Yes boss , I am agreed to you.......

 

[marygaspe]

Hi, Mary
Sanctus, may I please ask you a direct question. (And AJ for the love of God do not reply as your listing of Bible quotes is something I'm not interested in reading:icon_smile: ).. Is it a sin to doubt, or to be weak in faith at times?

My opinion is this: God has concluded all in unbelief. Meaning that there is none who can on their own strength meet the bar that God has set for a standard for entrance into heaven.

only God could.

So doubting God is a natural human trait. Not any different than saying: I don't believe".

I can speak on this matters because I have studied Gods word with my whole heart to know Him.

I have nothing but the bible for a guide and the Holy Spirit to teach me understanding of what I read.

I have studied the beliefs of many different religious, and I believe that God has given me insight in understanding many things in the bible.

You to can learn from the Holy Spirit, for God promised us that His spirit would teach us all things.

I can assure you that if your heart is after God, you will receive from Him answers to all your questions.

In reality, Brother Sanctus should be in agreement with me on many things. But because he is under constraints of the Catholic Church to follow its lead, he can not see passed my views.

Like many on this board, are wonderful people with different views.
But God still loves them just the same.
The only thing I hold over them is my strong faith in Jesus as my Savior redeemer and friend.
He is all I need.

But do pray to God by Jesus with your heart and you will see results.
Don't worry about being weak in faith.
When we are at our weakest, we are actually the strongest! You know why?
Because at your weakest, self is out of the way and God can come in and be your strength.
Self is the wall that separates us from God.

I quit posting on that particular thread, because I felt that my message had gone out, and there was nothing more to add.

But, I am available on another thread, but not as much.

God bless your searchings.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

I thank you for the message, but I did ask you not to Since you did, let me speak in honesty to you.

I realize you are well-intentioned and obviously believe that you have a relationship with Jesus that puts you above the teachings of the Catholic Church. However, for better or worse, i'm Catholic myself. I'm not the worlds best Catholic by far, not that that means I've dismissed the church of course.

I was raised in a very traditional household that saw my parents strongly devoted to Holy Mother church and its priests. In that regard, and with respect to you personally, I tend to think they have a better grasp of matters of faith.

For better or worse, they are well-educated and faithful men.

the scandals that rocked my church were painful for me personally, as they were for many Catholics. you people outside the church never stopped to consider what these events did to the people of the Church. Many of us had our illusions and trust shattered in our clergy.

It took me a few years to realize how small the proportion of these priests who abused children realy was in relation to the whole of the church. to realize that the vast majority of our clergy were still dedicated and prayerful men whom i could trust.

What i am getting at, AJ, is the fact that I am suspicious of people outside of the church and their intentions in matters of faith.

to me it is a failing in the person that they will not submit to the teachings of the church, if indeed they are claiming to be christian. to stay outside of the church to me means that you are in a state of pride in your own judgement.

Everything needs structure, even the church. Otherwise we have chaos and anarchy in the world.

So, thank you for replying, but i was only really interesated in what one of my priests had to say on the matter.

 

[mapleleafgirl]

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But do pray to God by Jesus with your heart and you will see results.
Don't worry about being weak in faith.
When we are at our weakest, we are actually the strongest! You know why?
Because at your weakest, self is out of the way and God can come in and be your strength.
Self is the wall that separates us from God.
gs..

that is pretty interesting aj. it is almost like a contradiction, i mean being strongest when we are weakest.why do yo think that is?

 

[mapleleafgirl]

hey dexter what actually you are trying to achive by finding mistake in other's post instead you should pay attention to your own posts

by saying I have no mean to hurt or disrespect any one but must say sanctus Njoy ever ctric about any one
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All respect no offence

i think youre wrong. he gives his opinion, he never calls anybody names, he never insults anybody wh disagrees. i like him, even though i havent laid eyes on him

 

[Dexter Sinister]

... he never calls anybody names...

Well, I did call DWJ a fool once in his thread about his mysterious pet rock that kills bugs and melts glass and whatever. But I was right.

Thank you, that's a very nice thing to read on first entering CC in the morning.

 

[marygaspe]

i think youre wrong. he gives his opinion, he never calls anybody names, he never insults anybody wh disagrees. i like him, even though i havent laid eyes on him

I totaly agree. I'm new to the forum, and I find Dexter a "good read". don't agree with him of course But I rather think that is okay!

 

[csanopal]

Something I heard lately sort of bugged me. I was...... talking to a Catholic colleague, who said, "You seem very religious. What's your denomination?" When I said, "I'm Catholic", she replied by musing, "Catholics aren't usually so religious." She actually seemed stunned.

 

[csanopal]

After being away from the Church for decades, I finally came home on Holy Saturday of 2005. I had been radically converted to the Lord in 1973. It happened in a Baptist church and, what did I know, I followed whatever they told me, for the short time I was there.

Now, all these years later, I feel like I have a calling to help bring Protestant Christians into the fullness of communion with the Church, especially evangelical Christians, and to help lapsed Catholics back.

I was inducted into the Secular Franciscan Order in October of last year. At January's fraternity meeting, we had the annual Epiphany service. We each received three "spiritual" gifts, in imitation, I guess, of the three gifts that the Magi gave the Holy Family.

We each received a Scripture verse to help us through this year, a virtue to practice this year, and a patron Saint for the year, I guess for emulation and intercession.

Anyway, in the context of how does God speak to us, here we go. These three gifts were chosen at random. There were three bags, one for each gift, and a separate person for each bag to draw out the gift at random.

My patron saint for this year is...St. Charles Borromeo!!!!! Is this the Lord speaking to me, or what? I take this as confrimation that I am on the right track with what I fell is my calling, seeing as how St. Charles was one of the driving forces of the Council of Trent and the Counter-Reformation, and worked to confirm Catholics in their faith, and to bring lapsed Catholics back to the faith.

And the virtue I received was exactly what I had been thinking about and concerned about in my life.

See how our sovereign Lord works through such a simple ceremony done at random to confirm His love and guidance to His people!

What do you think?

 

[look3467]

I thank you for the message, but I did ask you not to Since you did, let me speak in honesty to you.

I realize you are well-intentioned and obviously believe that you have a relationship with Jesus that puts you above the teachings of the Catholic Church. However, for better or worse, i'm Catholic myself. I'm not the worlds best Catholic by far, not that that means I've dismissed the church of course.

I was raised in a very traditional household that saw my parents strongly devoted to Holy Mother church and its priests. In that regard, and with respect to you personally, I tend to think they have a better grasp of matters of faith.

For better or worse, they are well-educated and faithful men.

the scandals that rocked my church were painful for me personally, as they were for many Catholics. you people outside the church never stopped to consider what these events did to the people of the Church. Many of us had our illusions and trust shattered in our clergy.

It took me a few years to realize how small the proportion of these priests who abused children realy was in relation to the whole of the church. to realize that the vast majority of our clergy were still dedicated and prayerful men whom i could trust.

What i am getting at, AJ, is the fact that I am suspicious of people outside of the church and their intentions in matters of faith.

to me it is a failing in the person that they will not submit to the teachings of the church, if indeed they are claiming to be christian. to stay outside of the church to me means that you are in a state of pride in your own judgement.

Everything needs structure, even the church. Otherwise we have chaos and anarchy in the world.

So, thank you for replying, but i was only really interesated in what one of my priests had to say on the matter.

Original request: Sanctus, may I please ask you a direct question. (And AJ for the love of God do not reply as your listing of Bible quotes is something I'm not interested in readingfile:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/OWNER%7E1.ABE/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/msohtml1/01/clip_image001.gif ).. Is it a sin to doubt, or to be weak in faith at times?

I am sorry that I misunderstood your request; I read into it that I shouldn’t reply because I would use too many bible verses. So I replied to you not using any.

But since the deed was done, I ask for your forgiveness.

I would like to make a comment to this reply back to me: I can testify to the fact that placing ones faith in and organization or an individual runs the risk of failure.

How so? Well, lets take for an example, Jimmy Swaggered. He had a wonderful ministry going and allot of folks loved him and almost worshiped him for his ability to sing and preach.
People who were shallow in their faith placed allot of confidence in him, as such, to send him money by the groves.
When he failed, these people’s hearts fell as well. They were shattered as sheep without a Sheppard.
But not the strong in faith: for they held God as unmovable, and a sure foundation, and not in mankind and its organizations.

It would behoove you, all Catholics and every living soul to read and study their own bibles to seek God out in the privacy of their own hearts.
There is where God can truly be found.And there is where solid ground can be had.
"That your hearts fail not"


There are many more examples: Jim Baker, Jim Jones, plus many small town preachers, ministers, priests, all types of clergy and last but not least, layman.

I have my faith embedded in rock. Solid as a rock and thought the waves of the sea (Translated: trials and tribulations) can not move against it. "Not a house built on sand".

This rock is Jesus, a sure foundation.
Though the world around me may crumble and fall, My Faith will not waver, for I know in whom I’ve trusted, and He told me that He would be my Savior, friend, and my high tower, my refuge.
Now, tell, me: Do I need any one else if I have the supreme God at my side at an instant calling?
Now that is faith.
At my weakest, I am the strongest, because my whole self (Heart) is given to Him for His keeping.
Oxymoron’s are prevalent in the bible because only by the revelation of God can these things be understood.
With that I leave you, and I bless all your searching’s, that in your heart of hearts, Jesus will find an abode in, and lift your spirit to heights unreachable by any other way.

God is love, and is aware of all our needs. He looks beyond our faults and see’s our needs.

P.S. Didn’t exactly quote scripture here but they were implied.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

 

[L Gilbert]

I pay very careful attention to what I write in my own posts. That should be obvious to anybody. I'm not trying to find mistakes in other people's posts, though I'll certainly point them out when I think I see them. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt over language issues here, and I always try to be aware of the potential for misunderstandings when all we have is words, without tone of voice or body language, .......

Yup.
Accuracy improves clarity.

 

[csanopal]

It would behoove you, all Catholics and every living soul to read and study their own bibles to seek God out in the privacy of their own hearts.
There is where God can truly be found.And there is where solid ground can be had.
"That your hearts fail not"


There are many more examples: Jim Baker, Jim Jones, plus many small town preachers, ministers, priests, all types of clergy and last but not least, layman.
Peace>>>AJ:love9:

I wouldn't put Catholic priests in the same league as Jones, since Catholic priests do not make up religions like Bakker and the rest. It is the job of the Church to administer and safeguard the faith, and the bible is the book of the Church.

 

[L Gilbert]

that is pretty interesting aj. it is almost like a contradiction, i mean being strongest when we are weakest.why do yo think that is?

It's in Sun Tzu's writings that one can turn a weakness into a strength. The key is in recognizing that a weakness is a weakness and once one recognizes it, the weakness becomes a strength. Sun Tzu, a follower of Confucius, wrote about that somewhere around 500 BC. Long before the New Testament. It's most probably that he never had any contact of any Christian influence. So it is highly unlikely that the concept's origins lie with Christianity.

 

[L Gilbert]

See how our sovereign Lord works through such a simple ceremony done at random to confirm His love and guidance to His people!

What do you think?

Uhuh. I'm still waiting to be zapped by lightning because of the bet I tried to make with your god.
I could say I was walking along and tripped and fell into a cowpie and say, "God did it cuz he's mad at me", but I'd know it was my own clumsy feet that did the deed.

 

[L Gilbert]

Now, tell, me: Do I need any one else if I have the supreme God at my side at an instant calling?

Why do you have a family then?

Oxymoron’s are prevalent in the bible because only by the revelation of God can these things be understood.

That doesn't help anyone who is trying to make sense of the book, though. Why wasn't it written clearly in the first place so that even the dumbest of people could understand it and become Christian? It's like, "Gee I think I'll form a company but I'll make the advertising for it unintelligible. "

God is love, and is aware of all our needs. He looks beyond our faults and see’s our needs.

Yup. And he is also the god of hate and murder and destruction, according to your holey bible.

 

[look3467]

I wouldn't put Catholic priests in the same league as Jones, since Catholic priests do not make up religions like Bakker and the rest. It is the job of the Church to administer and safeguard the faith, and the bible is the book of the Church.

Notice that I included all? Have you being reading the news about "some" priests behavioral patterns?

My point is to point to God for our strength. For when we think we are strong,we rely on our own strength, but when we are weak, we relay on God's strength. The first is pride, and the second is humbleness.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

 

[look3467]

It's in Sun Tzu's writings that one can turn a weakness into a strength. The key is in recognizing that a weakness is a weakness and once one recognizes it, the weakness becomes a strength. Sun Tzu, a follower of Confucius, wrote about that somewhere around 500 BC. Long before the New Testament. It's most probably that he never had any contact of any Christian influence. So it is highly unlikely that the concept's origins lie with Christianity.

Before him was God! Can you top that?
Unless of course god doesn't exist, thereby nullifying everything godly.
If that's the case, truly I really don't have an argument, do I?

Better to know and be silent , then to gab and not know.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

 

[tamarin]

A sooperlong thread! Amazing and here I am dabbling. Until God becomes as activist as his best believers little will be accomplished on Mother Earth. That belief system is best where action not words form the foundation of faith.