How can we get rid of our sinfulness?

look3467

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I asked Him for forgiveness for all the lousy things I've ever done, and He said okay.

Then I asked if I'd be forgiven if I stole $100 million from my employer and wired it to a Cayman bank account, then leave my family for my hot 23 year old secretary, and He said all would be forgiven.

And that's why I'm a Christian.

Yes, we can ask for anything as such as you discribed, but remember, that God does not look at what you did, but at your heart. There He will find the true intend of your request.
He is not fooled a bit.

As for me, I'd throw you in prison for stealing from your employer. As for your family, well, they hold the choice for forgiveness. And as for your honey, the secretary, I wish you well.

Then after all that, if and when your heart is right with God, then seek forgiveness, and you shall have it.

Peace>>>AJ
 

L Gilbert

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YES YOU DO!!!!The Catholic Church does not read Holy Scripture in a purely literalist manner as do some people but we are taught that the literal, historic sense must be presupposed. We are also taught that wherever the Fathers of the Church were in unanimous agreement upon a certain interpretation of Holy Scripture, then that is the true and lawful understanding that we are obliged to believe. In 1564 the Council of Trent, one of the Church’s most important Ecumenical Councils and to which the Catholic conscience is bound forever, dogmatically taught that

Furthermore in order to restrain petulant spirits, It decrees, that no one, relying on his own skill, shall - in matters of faith, and of morals pertaining to the edification of Christian doctrine - wresting the Sacred Scripture to his own senses, presume to interpret the said Sacred Scripture contrary to that sense which Holy Mother Church - whose it is to judge of the true sense and interpretation of the Holy Scriptures - hath held and doth hold; or even contrary to the unanimous consent of the Fathers.
But, M_L, he says god talks directly to him. :roll: He's special don'tcha know. :D
 

L Gilbert

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Just goes to show, brother, that God is not limited to just a few.

When Jesus was here, He could only be with a few hundred at the most, due to not having a PA system, A TV broad casting station, or radio.
But look at who the Holy Spirit can reach, without and aid from mankind.
Omni-present, wouldn’t you say?

Love that Holy Spirit!

Peace>>>AJ
I think your "holy spirit" must be of the liquid variety. Or perhaps in the smoke from the cannibis family. lol
 

L Gilbert

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Yes, we can ask for anything as such as you discribed, but remember, that God does not look at what you did, but at your heart. There He will find the true intend of your request.
He is not fooled a bit.

As for me, I'd throw you in prison for stealing from your employer. As for your family, well, they hold the choice for forgiveness. And as for your honey, the secretary, I wish you well.

Then after all that, if and when your heart is right with God, then seek forgiveness, and you shall have it.

Peace>>>AJ
Funny. I always thought everyone's hearts were pumps, not declarations of intent or qualifications of "goodness". I know my heart's job is just to move blood around. Perhaps everyone else's biological processes are different, though, but I'm nor going to take them apart to look.
 

look3467

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Scary prospect. The guy's been dead for a couple thousand years. Anyone watch the latest version of "The Mummy"? Eeeeeeeeeeeeeewwwwww

Dead physically bro, but not spiritually, He is alive for ever more.

He is present in the form of: The Holy Spirit". Obviously, you haven't been touched yet.

But He will. He has allot of time on His hands, and can wait you out. If it doesn't happen here on earth, He'll be there for you to greet you after you assume room temperature., and it won't be St Peter at the gates, either.
You see, bro, your soul's spirit has been bought and paid for. Just that you don't know it.
The flesh keeps us blind if we choose to, but as soon as an effort is made towards God, the intent of your heart will be noticed and mercy and grace will be extended to you. For free!

It is a free gift to us by the Creator!

Sorry, your not sharing that with me.

Peace>>>AJ
 

L Gilbert

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Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. Some ghost wants to touch me I'll blow it away with gusts of laughter. I didn't have a "spirit" to begin with so it can't be bought and sold. There are no such things as ghosts in reality, only in fantasy.
Even if I sucked in all that faith stuff, I would still have no wish to be some sheep in some shepherd's flock. Can't stand the critters. The only good thing about them is wool. They stink, they're incredible stupid (way more so than even cows), and they taste horrid. :D

Sorry, AJ, but in reality the only difference between you and me is that you believe in fantasies. Other than that we both think, eat, sleep, etc. ;)
 

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So you want the clergy of the Church to fit into a pattern that suits your expectations?

How would you know what their "calling" is anyway? What do you think they are called to do?



"calling" is their word ask your leader what it means.
My expectations from someone is that they do their JOB. If its their chosen job then DO it! Dont be a hypocrite! I am available 24/7 because it is my chosen job to be. I dont get paid, I dont beg for offerings. I do what my deities have given me the talents for. Transparency and empathy, and a rumble in my solar plexus when people hit me as wrong. But you go right along like sheep to the slaughter......its your CHOICE! Burn the Pagan for being transparent and telling HER truth ......HOW DARE I!
 

look3467

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These are the qualities that the Holy Spirit grants us when we are in tune with Him: Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Gal 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
Gal 5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
Gal 5:26 Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.

Tam, your heart to minister is looked at and considered by the creator,because you are exercising some of those attributes towards your fellow human beings.
That is what this life is all about, giving of yourself to help others have life more abundantly.
Compassion is at the core of what the creator is, mercy and forgiveness conquers anything the flesh has to demonstrate.

We all have our faults and our weaknesses, but within those [FONT=&quot]parameter[/FONT]s, God knows how to work in them and in them.

Truck on!

Peace>>>AJ
 

L Gilbert

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But you don't know this one thing, bro and that is the joy of the Holy Spirit in you. Call it fantasy, yet you don't posses it.

Peace>>>AJ
How would you know? You been touring around in me when I wasn't looking?
Anyway, I have enough joy in me and don't need to think some fantasy will give me more. Just being able to share the universe with others is plenty joy for me.
 

m_levesque

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"calling" is their word ask your leader what it means.
My expectations from someone is that they do their JOB. If its their chosen job then DO it! Dont be a hypocrite! I am available 24/7 because it is my chosen job to be. I dont get paid, I dont beg for offerings. I do what my deities have given me the talents for. Transparency and empathy, and a rumble in my solar plexus when people hit me as wrong. But you go right along like sheep to the slaughter......its your CHOICE! Burn the Pagan for being transparent and telling HER truth ......HOW DARE I!

My leader??? I'm not on a first name basis with the Pope.Or do you mean sanctus? I don't even personally know the man.

And if it is sanctus, how do you know he isn't doing his "job"? You're basing this on the internet?
 

m_levesque

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Just goes to show, brother, that God is not limited to just a few.

When Jesus was here, He could only be with a few hundred at the most, due to not having a PA system, A TV broad casting station, or radio.
But look at who the Holy Spirit can reach, without and aid from mankind.
Omni-present, wouldn’t you say?

Love that Holy Spirit!

Peace>>>AJ


And so Aj, what about the point of that post--how can all the protestants-non-catholics-be right since they all say they are lead by the Holy Spirit and yet all have different takes on the same thing? Why haven't you answered this question yet?