How can we get rid of our sinfulness?

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darleneonfire said:
Oh come on, lighten up. We didn't miss the message, we're just having fun. Even sanctus, I've noticed, makes wry comments and jokes from time to time!
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I understand Darlene, it's those who are in the audience is whom I am concerned with. I can deal with all who are on the stage, but the audience can only see our action in words.

I mean, this is a serious matter to some who are hurting, needing God and looking to find some answers.

There are other threads with different topics, more in the way of the lighter side.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:
 
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look3467 said:
Good conversation with yourslf! Just....................... kidding.
Gilbert, just look around you. What do you see? Everything good reflects the createability of "a" God.
Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

Did I not say that the bible has all the answers?

Question is: Do we want to believe it?

Peace>>>AJ:love9:
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Wrong. When I look around I see stuff that the universe has generated. From the timeless existence of the universe and the vastness of its reaches comes the elements for the beginnings of species and minerals and energies, not from some human fantasy. Otherwise I'd be giving away and spending the riches that I've imagined for myself. ;) The bible may have answers, but they aren't all realistic.
 
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L Gilbert said:
Wrong. When I look around I see stuff that the universe has generated. From the timeless existence of the universe and the vastness of its reaches comes the elements for the beginnings of species and minerals and energies, not from some human fantasy. Otherwise I'd be giving away and spending the riches that I've imagined for myself. ;) The bible may have answers, but they aren't all realistic.
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The question still stands: "Do we want to believe it?"

And that question is ages old.Nothing new. That's why we have these discussions.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:
 
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look3467 said:
I understand Darlene, it's those who are in the audience is whom I am concerned with. I can deal with all who are on the stage, but the audience can only see our action in words.

I mean, this is a serious matter to some who are hurting, needing God and looking to find some answers.

There are other threads with different topics, more in the way of the lighter side.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:
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Taking things too seriously develops problems. Some people can realize that and finding humor anywhere. Humor does not hurt and indeed can be a defense mechanism against hurtful things.
 
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look3467 said:
The question still stands: "Do we want to believe it?"

And that question is ages old.Nothing new. That's why we have these discussions.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:
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I "believe" things after analysis. A theory isn't a theory, fact isn't fact, etc. until the hypothesis has been tested. I know for a fact, for instance that iron is significantly more dense than the various molecules comprising flesh and therefore seems very hard in comparison. It has been tested enough that people simply take it for granted. I could have all kinds of faith and believe that some god could make a bush talk and burn without being burnt, but the testing has yet to be done to see if its possible for such an event to occur. Creationists' attack on the theory of evolution is a joke, for instance. Evolution exists whether they like it or not.
 
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look3467 said:
With or with out those 7 books the message is still crystal clear, Jesus is the Savior of the world.
Problem: Mankind has decided to incorporate it's own version of what the Savior is.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:
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Mankind is the only "savior" of the world, and he is also becoming the possible
"killer" of the world , there is noone else, we have to take care of our
world, or it will someday be gone.
If the religious people of the world could put their energy to "real" problems and
"remedies", possibly we all could make the world a better place.
To see and read all the energy that religious people put into their beliefs,
makes me realize that they "just' don't understand anything that is happening
right here on earth, and it is up to "us", as the worlds "savior" to act and do
something about it.
The "so called" christians who follow the leadership of George Bush, and will
not help any enviromentalist suggestions, certainly don't give a tinkers dam,
what happens to their earth, but I guess they just sit around stuffing money
into the republicans pockets, and walk around with their holier than thou
attitude, and wait for god to save them from anything negative that happens
on this earth. Well folks you are all going to hell, as not contributing to the
"health" of our earth is a sin.

I don't mind and expect to be "trashed" in return, but please don't send me all
the bible scripture "crap", as I'm sure, in your world, your god is even getting
sick of reading it on this thread.
 
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L Gilbert said:
I "believe" things after analysis. A theory isn't a theory, fact isn't fact, etc. until the hypothesis has been tested. I know for a fact, for instance that iron is significantly more dense than the various molecules comprising flesh and therefore seems very hard in comparison. It has been tested enough that people simply take it for granted. I could have all kinds of faith and believe that some god could make a bush talk and burn without being burnt, but the testing has yet to be done to see if its possible for such an event to occur. Creationists' attack on the theory of evolution is a joke, for instance. Evolution exists whether they like it or not.
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You know Gilbert, that I have no problem believing all you say about science, and am rather awed by such interesting things.

The burning bush did not burn because it is the fire of God.

Example: If you wanted something really bad, that your heart ached for it.

That is a burning sensation in your heart.

That kind of burning is a spiritual burning, that burns only in the spiritual realm and not as a material realm.

God is an all consuming fire, that burns all our sins away.

Heb 12:29 For our God is a consuming fire.

He consumed the tree of Knowledge for us and took it’s power away.

Notice the creation story with a tree in the midst of the garden as being a curse to those who would eat of its fruit?
Well, we all eat of it as we grow from a child to adult hood. And so we are cursed to death. (Spiritually speaking, meaning eternal separation from God)

The bible says: Gal 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

Jesus bought that tree, hook, line and sinker, and took that curse away from us.
And He hung for it!

That is the “Good News” that should be thought around the world.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:
 
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talloola said:
I don't mind and expect to be "trashed" in return, but please don't send me all
the bible scripture "crap", as I'm sure, in your world, your god is even getting
sick of reading it on this thread.
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Heck, even the priest mentions getting tired of reading endless quotations:) Way I look at it, if it's too much for sanctus, it has to be too much for me.

Seriously though, that raises an interesting point for me. AJ, seriously, do you find a difference in Catholicism and Protestantism in the sense of Bible quotations? I mean, my brother is an Anglican priest, a branch of catholicism, and sanctus is a Catholic. Sanctus answers questions directly, without once making you think he does not believe. Same as my brother. Yet neither loads their comments with bible quotes. I mean, in my mind it isn't necessary. For example, I assume sanctus knows the Bible, and if not he's in the wrong vocation:) He can reference his points without a list of quotes. (sorry for centring you out sanctus!)

Yet every "born-again" I know quotes the bible over and over and over, making me wonder if they forgot that God gave us free will. I assume that means he does not want tape recorders repeating the same information over and over. Instead, I assume he wants us to use our minds, hopefully on his behalf I suppose.

My question, do you suppose this is why the Catholic Church still remains the largest Chrisian denomination, in that they are able, despite their "F-up's", to actually minister to people without bashing them about the head with the bible?

I'm on a ramble here, because the more I think about it the more true this seems. I used to volunteer at a food bank and one of the other volunteers was a Catholic nun. we all knew she was a nun and believed in her faith, but I can't recall once ever hearing her give off lists of bible quotes.Especially to the patrons of the food bank.

Do you think sancus might have a point, and that Jesus wants us to minister with our hands and not with our mouths?
 
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