How can we get rid of our sinfulness?

look3467

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Oh, I see. So now you choke up with the quotations. When you could use one, you don't post one. :roll: Where in the bible does it say that your god must do anything?

Right here my friend is something that God did for us, you and I.

Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

And how do I know that? Because the bible tells me so.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:
 

look3467

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Maybe it doesn't fill your cup. Maybe it's only half full, I don't know. But as far as I've been able to determine from the posts in here, your Jesus is the only path to your god, so how can you claim to be a path to your god?

Here is where spiritual understanding comes in.
In short, I mean very short, here it is:
The Father created the worlds and the first man Adam which is the flesh. The creation of the flesh meant separation from the spirit of God. Separation in spirit means death to the spirit, thus His creation was created with a death sentence.

Enter: (that one verse I just gave you John 3:16?) Jesus, He comes and rectifies the death penalty for all, I mean all mankind from the very first man to the very last one.

The self same pattern or structure used in the first creation is used in the second creation in order to nullify the first so that the second one stands.

Hence Jesus is the "second" Adam. Or the start of the new creation which this time instead of death it is life!

Now, as for the only path, quote: :read2:Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Is correct by the account that I gave you in the above explanation.

If you bare with me a little more I will tell explain to you how that works.
Since God selected a race of people to justify His laws to mankind by, they became the only true "link" to the real God of creation. All other folks gods and supposed gods were merely were figments of mans imaginations.

God in them demonstrated to the world His "long-suffering and love for them by constantly forgiving them their trespasses. If you read the old testament you will find this pattern to be true.

God's design is to save the "whole" world, not just the selected race, the Jews.

Since the Jewish nation had as a priestly function of the offering of animal sacrifices, God uses it to "offer" His Son for in mankind's place in order to nullify the penalty of death in all of us.

He purposely blinded the hearts of the Jews not to recognize Jesus as the Son of God thereby rejecting Him as a blasphemer and worthy of death, as prescribed by the laws given to Moses.

Following me so far?

The Jewish High Priest are the one's who offered sacrifices for their people for the covering of sins, notice I said covering and not forgiveness of sins?

Well, here is the sweet part of the whole design plan.

Jesus comes to His own and His own receive Him Not.

They being the ones to offer sacrifices, offer Jesus as a sacrifice, unbeknown to them why.

By that offering (by the way is what the is point of contention is between believer and non-believer is all about) salvation comes to all mankind regardless of who or what we are.

That rendition is the shortest that I could explain it in unless you believe , trust and rely on the one single verse I quoted in John 3:16, that would be the shortest.

I am open to any questions concerning what I explained if some one cares to venture passed their comfort zone.

Peace and Love>>>AJ:love9:






 

look3467

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I must say my friend, in the past two days you have surprised me. First with your contention that all faiths are equal in merit and now with this numerology mumbo-jumbo. I think the Scriptures are difficult enough for people to discern without adding these secret codes into them. Numbers do play a significance into certain elements of the Scriptures, to a point But drawing conclusions based on combinations of numbers from anything is suspicious exegesis at best.

Oh ye of little faith!

Does not the Holy Spirit give instruction?

If God can not teach by His Spirit, what suppose man can do?

Mankind knows nothing unless first it is given to them to know by the Spirit of God!

Let me take you back to the time of Jesus to explain this truth?

Pilate is a non Jew and a non-believer in the Jewish God: and says:

Joh 19:10 Then saith Pilate unto him, Speakest thou not unto me? knowest thou not that I have power to crucify thee, and have power to release thee?
The question is: where from has Pilate this power to kill or let live?
The asnwer:

Joh 19:11 Jesus answered, Thou couldest have no power at all against me, except it were given thee from above: therefore he that delivered me unto thee hath the greater sin.

Except it were given from above!

So, folks, all knowledge comes from above by means of the Holy Spirit to believer and non-believer alike.

What do we with do with this knowledge as given? For good or for evil?

The knowledge I am given I here share with you all, eat of it as you will, or not at all.

That is your choice.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:
 

mapleleafgirl

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Right here my friend is something that God did for us, you and I.

Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

And how do I know that? Because the bible tells me so.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

it didnt tell you that. books cant talk:)
 

look3467

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My purpose Sanctus in introducing the numbers thing, is for the benefit ofthose who can not see by words the love of God, where by maybe by numbers can they see the glory of God.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:
 

look3467

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I've got to go work, so I'll respond to your posts later on tonight.
May you all have a blessed day if applicable, or a good nights sleep if applicable.

Either way, have a good one.

Peace>>>AJ:love9::love9:
 

m_levesque

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It always comes down to a matter of faith. But I submitand stand by the fact that Catholicism and her scriptures have more actual historical and archeological evidence to support her claims than any other religion.

Plus, if you examine the premise of any other religion you can see how it they are devised to fit a particular need. Who would come up with Catholicism? If you look at the development of religion across various cultures and the sociological/psychological development of man-made religions you can see how a human mind would go there. Catholicism, on the other hand is entirely "other". The human mind could not come up with it. It would make no sense to do so comparatively.

Further, While Islam has a concept of forgiveness of sins, which it borrowed from Judaism and Christianity, incidently, Catholicism alone identifies it as the fundemantal ailment to human/Divine relations. It alone deal definitively with sin in the only manner that is commensurate with the offense.

I believe in Catholicism because it is true. With it's supernatural elements one ultimately has to rely on faith. But the beauty and cohesiveness of the scriptures and the advance of western civilization, warts and all is strong anecdotal evidence of the benefit of Christianity to the world. Results matter.

No other religion has this linear societal advancement. Including atheism. When tested it collapses under it's own weight. Communism the atheistic governmental/social experiment detroyed societies and took 200 million lives less than a century. Why it did not acknowledge mans inherent flaw and deal with it in the only manner that is natural to our nature.

You tell which religion or philosophy has advanced the world more than Catholicism? That rhetorical, there is none. Whether it is science, art, literature, medicine, human rights good governement etc. the greatest the worlds has had to offer has always, for the past 2,000 years, been rooted in the Catholic world alone. Others benefitted and borrowed but never originated.
 

look3467

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God HIDES from us? You've got to be kidding, right?

Tell me Sanctus what the meaning of the 4 beasts with six wings represent in the book of Revelation?
Tell me what the number 666 represents?
Why number six?
Tell me why Jesus said we must be born again?
The two witnesses in Revelation
The 24 elders
The 144 thousand virgin men

If God were not hidden, why then would it take the Catholic Church to reveal Him to us?
Maybe because it is to complicated and we might wind up misinterpreting it?

If the creation story is just a story why?

Just pick one of these, you don't have to answer any of them if you like.

My point is, that without the revelation of the Holy Spirit guiding us, no one, I mean no one would understand anything of God.
:read2:Heb 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

The rewards are: Rom 5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:

Mat 6:19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:

In other words, seek the things of God above the things of the earth, for the earth comes and goes for each individual in time.

But since your here, redeem the time you have to to good to your neighbor.
Col 4:5 Walk in wisdom toward them that are without, redeeming the time.
Eph 5:16 Redeeming the time, because the days are evil.


Explain this verse please: Hos 13:14 I will ransom them from the power of the grave; I will redeem them from death: O death, I will be thy plagues; O grave, I will be thy destruction: repentance shall be hid from mine eyes.

If God hides not, why do we then seek Him out as if He were?



Peace>>>AJ:love9:
 

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You tell which religion or philosophy has advanced the world more than Catholicism? That rhetorical, there is none. Whether it is science, art, literature, medicine, human rights good governement etc. the greatest the worlds has had to offer has always, for the past 2,000 years, been rooted in the Catholic world alone. Others benefitted and borrowed but never originated.

Good post. And a great deal of truth, for despite the bitching, and the things done wrong, the Church has advanced Western society, and been a beacon of hope to it.
 

sanctus

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Tell me Sanctus what the meaning of the 4 beasts with six wings represent in the book of Revelation?
Tell me what the number 666 represents?
Why number six?
Tell me why Jesus said we must be born again?
The two witnesses in Revelation
The 24 elders
The 144 thousand virgin men

If God were not hidden, why then would it take the Catholic Church to reveal Him to us?
Maybe because it is to complicated and we might wind up misinterpreting it?

The Church is the depository of the faith and the Sacraments, not God. What the role of the Church is is to safeguard the faith. Though the Church can reveal God to mankind, it also offers a light of hope to the world.

I am sure any meanings I might offer for the list you presented would not, shall we say, match your private interpretations:)
 

look3467

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The Church is the depository of the faith and the Sacraments, not God. What the role of the Church is is to safeguard the faith. Though the Church can reveal God to mankind, it also offers a light of hope to the world.

I am sure any meanings I might offer for the list you presented would not, shall we say, match your private interpretations:)

Well, then, you are in the right roll as a priest in the Catholic Church.

And at that, I rest my case.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:
 

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do you think it was actually seven days? sanctus said somewhere that was just a myth and that evolution worked with creation, or something like that. i probably got what he meant wrong maybe?
Well, in the beginning ( :D ), humans took what was written in the bible as gospel. But science kept disproving things that were written in the bible, so religions then had to figure out ways to reconcile their hardened stances with the realities of science. Hence there has been a lot of backtracking to repair the screwups and science just keeps plodding along righting misconceptions, misinformation, and beliefs in fantasies.