How about them Canucks!

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If I were betting real money I probably wouldn't bet on the Canucks. During the play-offs
when the hockey gets down and dirty, you have to stand up and defend yourself and the
Canucks don't seem to be able to do that. The Sedins were continually being knocked
off the puck. Depending who they play, the Canucks will have a hard time getting past
the first round of the play-offs. I hope I'm wrong.


So do I, but we don't know hockey, what with all the previous success they've had, Luongo being a real playoff goalie and the curse of the presidents cup....how could they possibly lose?
 

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If I were betting real money I probably wouldn't bet on the Canucks. During the play-offs
when the hockey gets down and dirty, you have to stand up and defend yourself and the
Canucks don't seem to be able to do that. The Sedins were continually being knocked
off the puck. Depending who they play, the Canucks will have a hard time getting past
the first round of the play-offs. I hope I'm wrong.

Seriously I probably wouldn't either, I do believe they have a better chance than any other single team individually, but there's 15 other teams and we certainly can't discount a few up sets. I'd give them a chance of about 1 in 3.
 

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I may have been born at night but it wasn't last night. :smile:

That's what I thought.

Maybe next time clucky.

 

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sure doesn't take long to forget how they arrived at winning the presidents cup, a couple of
so so games, and they are toast. lol

any team in the playoffs can win the cup, irrespective of where they finish in the standings.

a new season, presidents cup gives the team 'all' home ice advantage, and a 30% chance of winning

according to history, not bad odds, out of 16 teams.
 

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sure doesn't take long to forget how they arrived at winning the presidents cup, a couple of
so so games, and they are toast. lol

any team in the playoffs can win the cup, irrespective of where they finish in the standings.

a new season, presidents cup gives the team 'all' home ice advantage, and a 30% chance of winning

according to history, not bad odds, out of 16 teams.

You're setting yourself up for a downer.

Ah well, good luck anyhow.;-)
 

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I suppose all the pressure to win was on the Canucks, the first place team against the last
place team. The Oilers were well out of the play-offs so the first game was just a skate.
and they won the game 4 - 1. People have said that the Canucks actually outplayed the
Oilers but it seems to me that 4 - 1 was a rout by the Oilers. The next game at 2 - 0 was
just as bad. The Canucks scored one goal in six periods against the worst team in the
league.
It looked to me like: If you want to beat the Canucks, hit their star players and it will put
them right off their game
 

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I suppose all the pressure to win was on the Canucks, the first place team against the last
place team. The Oilers were well out of the play-offs so the first game was just a skate.
and they won the game 4 - 1. People have said that the Canucks actually outplayed the
Oilers but it seems to me that 4 - 1 was a rout by the Oilers. The next game at 2 - 0 was
just as bad. The Canucks scored one goal in six periods against the worst team in the
league.
It looked to me like: If you want to beat the Canucks, hit their star players and it will put
them right off their game

Just want to correct you on one little technicality #Juan. The worst team overall spread over the year and playing in a schedule highly weighted to Northwest first and the Western Conf. second. NO team in the league is the worst team for each of 82 games. What this probably means is Edmonton was in their "heyday" at the same time the Canucks were at their "lowest ebb". If you look back over the season you'll find another rough spell where I'm pretty sure Canucks lost 3 in a row. Don't despair, if they don't win the Cup the team that does will have had a tough battle on their hands.

sure doesn't take long to forget how they arrived at winning the presidents cup, a couple of
so so games, and they are toast. lol

any team in the playoffs can win the cup, irrespective of where they finish in the standings.

a new season, presidents cup gives the team 'all' home ice advantage, and a 30% chance of winning

according to history, not bad odds, out of 16 teams.

Your instincts are good and a hell of a lot more wise than certain advice you are getting. :lol:
 

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I wasn't nearly as bothered about this game as I was the last.

Firstly it was obvious they were not going to do any hitting (exception was torres), and also
it was obvious that they were not going to block any shots, exc. kesler did one.

Samuelsson was feeling his way around, it will take him a couple of games to get up to speed,
and we totally outplayed them in the second period, and the game actually ended when torres took
his 5 min major, then another penalty on top. Any team should score with a 2 man
advantage, and edmonton almost didn't do it, canucks killed that two man deficit
beautifully, almost till it was over.

I don't think they are out of gas at all, they are tip toeing around a little making sure they
don't get injured before playoffs, the only thing I'm still concerned about is daniel holding
onto the lead in individual points, don't know what martin st. louis got tonight, haven't checked the
stats for the tampa bay game.

Officiating in first and second periods was very biased against canucks, but they evened it up in
the third.

They still have to get edler and alberts into the lineup, probably on thursday.

Take more notice of the details of the game, instead of worrying about the score, they will be fine.
These last 3 games are being played like exhibitions games, or similar to pre season
games, a time to sort out players, bring back players, and prepare for playoffs.

Luongo played solid, and they did get schneider in, so that he now has 24 games, and they will do it
again so that he has 25 games under his belt, then he and luongo will be elegible for the
goalie combo trophy, (forget the name).

GO CANUCKS GO

update: martin st. louis now has 95 points and daniel sedin has 100, 2 games left.

Excellent analysis of the situation, tallola. Thank you. :smile:
 

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Just want to correct you on one little technicality #Juan. The worst team overall spread over the year and playing in a schedule highly weighted to Northwest first and the Western Conf. second. NO team in the league is the worst team for each of 82 games. What this probably means is Edmonton was in their "heyday" at the same time the Canucks were at their "lowest ebb". If you look back over the season you'll find another rough spell where I'm pretty sure Canucks lost 3 in a row. Don't despair, if they don't win the Cup the team that does will have had a tough battle on their hands.
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First of all, I don't despair over a hockey game.

Secondly, I'm sure an acceptable method of selecting the best and worst teams for the sake of a discussion
is to pick the team with(most points) best record and the team with the worst record(least points). Would
you pick different teams?
 

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You're setting yourself up for a downer.

Ah well, good luck anyhow.;-)

Nothing is a downer for me, I can handle the good with the bad very well, i'm a realistic
person, not a band wagon jumper on er, or a canuck fan and nothing else.

not sure what you mean by setting myself up, please explain.

if canucks get beaten out in the playoffs, I will immediately move to the next team I want
to do well, and so on and so on, will stay within my division if possible, then within my
conference, and go with the west all the way.

The regular season, for me is 'it', 82 games of competition, and when the playoffs arrive,
I actually come down a little, I lose a bit of my enthusiasm, and realize that any team can
win the playoffs, and if it isn't canucks, so be it, I will be back in the fall at training
camp, and start over, I love hockey, I understand how competition works, if canucks get knocked
out, they will not have done anything to me, they will have dissapointed themselves, and I will
feel 'for' them, and know how that is, as we had many highly competitives teams both in hockey
and fastpitch, throughout the years, and we won some championships and lost out in some, thats just
the way it goes.
The canucks have allready made me proud, and I wish them well in the playoffs, win or lose.

I'm so glad malhotra is coming along well after his eye surgery, it was successful and he will
regain his sight, and be back in the fall to play hockey again.
He will be close to the team all the way through playoffs, in the dressingroom and he is a perfect
person to do that, a very wise hockey guy, a positive influence on the team, so good for him, i'm
very happy things are going to get back to normal in his life.
 

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Nothing is a downer for me, I can handle the good with the bad very well, i'm a realistic
person, not a band wagon jumper on er, or a canuck fan and nothing else.

not sure what you mean by setting myself up, please explain.

Sorry, I confused you with someone who cares about winning.

Anything less than a cup is failure.

Perhaps it was from being spoiled as a child and teen of cosistant championships of my beloved Habs that has given me this attitude so I can understand yours.
 

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Nothing is a downer for me, I can handle the good with the bad very well, i'm a realistic
person, not a band wagon jumper on er, or a canuck fan and nothing else.

not sure what you mean by setting myself up, please explain.

if canucks get beaten out in the playoffs, I will immediately move to the next team I want
to do well, and so on and so on, will stay within my division if possible, then within my
conference, and go with the west all the way.

The regular season, for me is 'it', 82 games of competition, and when the playoffs arrive,
I actually come down a little, I lose a bit of my enthusiasm, and realize that any team can
win the playoffs, and if it isn't canucks, so be it, I will be back in the fall at training
camp, and start over, I love hockey, I understand how competition works, if canucks get knocked
out, they will not have done anything to me, they will have dissapointed themselves, and I will
feel 'for' them, and know how that is, as we had many highly competitives teams both in hockey
and fastpitch, throughout the years, and we won some championships and lost out in some, thats just
the way it goes.
The canucks have allready made me proud, and I wish them well in the playoffs, win or lose.

I'm so glad malhotra is coming along well after his eye surgery, it was successful and he will
regain his sight, and be back in the fall to play hockey again.
He will be close to the team all the way through playoffs, in the dressingroom and he is a perfect
person to do that, a very wise hockey guy, a positive influence on the team, so good for him, i'm
very happy things are going to get back to normal in his life.

Well said, tallola. You rock, girl. :smile:
Your feelings about supporting your team and being a fan are so similiar to my feelings about the CFL and the Riders. Win, lose or draw their our guys and we cheer them on regardless. Once they've had their run, the love of the sport keeps us watching and cheering.

Sorry, I confused you with someone who cares about winning.

Anything less than a cup is failure.

Perhaps it was from being spoiled as a child and teen of cosistant championships of my beloved Habs that has given me this attitude so I can understand yours.

Geez, Av - one minute they are a bunch of bums and the next their your beloved Habs???? And what the heck is 'cosistant'?

Yes a cup or trophy or whatever is important but much, much more is how you got there. The Cannucks have been absolutely outstanding this season whereas we both know what the Canadiens have been like. As was mentioned by someone else here whose name escapes at the moment, the President's Cup is, IMHO, the more significant accomplishment for the team as it represents excellence over the entire season. Winning the Stanley Cup would just put candles on the cake for the Cannucks. IMHO
 
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Talloola - I see you are getting fed a bunch of crap on here - NOT winning the Cup does NOT translate to failure, more than likely one more step up the stair case to success having gained more experience and learning valuable lessons from the exercise. :smile:
 

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Talloola - I see you are getting fed a bunch of crap on here - NOT winning the Cup does NOT translate to failure, more than likely one more step up the stair case to success having gained more experience and learning valuable lessons from the exercise. :smile:

But, but, but...... I was saying basically the same thing! :p
 

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Geez, Av - one minute they are a bunch of bums and the next their your beloved Habs???? And what the heck is 'cosistant'?

Yes a cup or trophy or whatever is important but much, much more is how you got there. The Cannucks have been absolutely outstanding this season whereas we both know what the Canadiens have been like. As was mentioned by someone else here whose name escapes at the moment, the President's Cup is, IMHO, the more significant accomplishment for the team as it represents excellence over the entire season. Winning the Stanley Cup would just put candles on the cake for the Cannucks. IMHO

The franchise is golden, doesn't mean the players are.

I have to respect the history of my club, but I don't have to sugar coat what happens on the ice.

It's simple, if you can't win the cup it is a failure.

I couldn't give a crap about the presidents cup.....I want the Stanley Cup.

Having said that, the Canucks have the best chance to bring it back home and I wish them all the best but I have serious doubts about their ability to do so.

Sorry.
 

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The franchise is golden, doesn't mean the players are.

I have to respect the history of my club, but I don't have to sugar coat what happens on the ice.

It's simple, if you can't win the cup it is a failure.

I couldn't give a crap about the presidents cup.....I want the Stanley Cup.

Having said that, the Canucks have the best chance to bring it back home and I wish them all the best but I have serious doubts about their ability to do so.

Sorry.

too bad you dismiss the presidents' cup without much respect for what it takes to win it.
 

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Talloola - I see you are getting fed a bunch of crap on here - NOT winning the Cup does NOT translate to failure, more than likely one more step up the stair case to success having gained more experience and learning valuable lessons from the exercise. :smile:

That is right JLM, but even on team 1040, they repeat, 'this season will mean nothing if canucsk don't
win the stanley cup', just makes me smile, what a bunch of children, and they have no thought to
how the players think, only how they, 'like little kids' will again be cheated out of a stanley
cup. Well, poor babies.

If ever you're in Montreal go to the Bell Center and look up....you'll see why the presidents cup is meaningless.

I've been to a game at the Bell Center, and I don't care what you want me to look up, my appreciation
for winning the presidents' cup is for me, I don't care what anything says in the bell center, it
has no affect on what I think.
 

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That Russell guy that I used to listen to on C.K.N.W. had a bad attitude that way, something to effect of "the fans are paying good money to see them win and they owe that much to their fans"...................I guess he never noticed that 50% of the teams lose, glad I don't listen to that imbecile anymore. :lol:
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that russell guy is still around, heard his name mentioned a couple of weeks ago,
I think he is still on the air.
 
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