How about them Canucks!

[Kreskin]

That would explain why they were voted as easy to intimidate by other NHL players.



Tell that to the NHL players who voted him as easy to intimidate.

Yet the NHLPA awarded Daniel with the Ted Lindsay Award (most valuable as judged by the players).

Henrik and Daniel with Art Ross trophies and Olympic Gold medals, and Henrik with a Hart Trophy. 99% of players who voted in that TSN poll haven't a clue what it takes to get to their level.

 

[Mowich]

Few things sadder than a hyena with no teeth.

BTW-I took the time to read the complete interview with Mike Gillis and agree 100% with him-he's a very insightful manager.

I watched that interview and agreed with Mike too. I especially took note of his comments about Alain Vigneault in light of the many intellectually challenged 'fans' calling for his head. Why would you get rid of the one coach who took the Canucks to more wins than any other - the guy who got them to two President's Cups and the final round of a Stanley Cup play-off. Duh!

Clearing the air about Cody Hodgson has stirred up some controversy amongst those in the sports media.

I also saw the interview Lu did with the media about his future and felt he handled it really well. There is chit chat on TSN about him going to TO though I think he should hold-out for Tampa where his family lives.

It will be really interesting to see what changes he makes to the team.

 

[talloola]

I watched that interview and agreed with Mike too. I especially took note of his comments about Alain Vigneault in light of the many intellectually challenged 'fans' calling for his head. Why would you get rid of the one coach who took the Canucks to more wins than any other - the guy who got them to two President's Cups and the final round of a Stanley Cup play-off. Duh!

Clearing the air about Cody Hodgson has stirred up some controversy amongst those in the sports media.

I also saw the interview Lu did with the media about his future and felt he handled it really well. There is chit chat on TSN about him going to TO though I think he should hold-out for Tampa where his family lives.

It will be really interesting to see what changes he makes to the team.

I was so impressed with luongo during that interview, in fact I got a bit of a lump in my throat, and
felt sad and its like giving a puppy away. lol

I am interested in following the situation till they do make an announcement one way or the other.
One never knows just how these things will end, and we musn't automatically think that luongo will
go and schneider will stay, because all of the chips must fall in order.

Luongo must agree to go to whatever team canucks want to make a trade with, and that isn't guaranteed,
as it is his decision where he goes, once he lifts his no-trade contract.

And, canucks have to like whatever they will get back from a team that luongo picks, so, if those
areas do not align, then he won't be going anywhere.

He and his wife, i'm sure, have discussed this situation, and I'm also sure that they have agreed together
on a few places they would like to live, and where he would like to play.

He spoke very unselfeshlly, and definitely took the high road, and who wouldn't, as he has had to live
with this market for a long time now, and knows how fickle they are, how critical they are, and even
when he plays well, they find ways to trash him, so if I were him, I couldn't get out of vancouver fast
enough.

Then, schneider has to agree to terms with canucks, and want to stay here, and I don't think that will be
very difficult to settle, he is a restricted free agent, so he stays under the control of the team,
and unless another team gives him an offer sheet, he and the canucks can come to an agreement of salary,
SO, that tells me that canucks must settle things with luongo BEFORE the time arrives where another team
is allowed to send him an offer sheet, otherwise canucks will have to match the offer sheet, or let schneider
go, if he wants to sign with the other team, but they do get compensation from the other team when that
happens, so all is not lost, but they certainly don't want to be left without either goalie, that would be
a disaster.

I was so impressed with luongo during that interview, in fact I got a bit of a lump in my throat, and
felt sad and its like giving a puppy away. lol

I am interested in following the situation till they do make an announcement one way or the other.
One never knows just how these things will end, and we musn't automatically think that luongo will
go and schneider will stay, because all of the chips must fall in order.

Luongo must agree to go to whatever team canucks want to make a trade with, and that isn't guaranteed,
as it is his decision where he goes, once he lifts his no-trade contract.

And, canucks have to like whatever they will get back from a team that luongo picks, so, if those
areas do not align, then he won't be going anywhere.

He and his wife, i'm sure, have discussed this situation, and I'm also sure that they have agreed together
on a few places they would like to live, and where he would like to play.

He spoke very unselfeshlly, and definitely took the high road, and who wouldn't, as he has had to live
with this market for a long time now, and knows how fickle they are, how critical they are, and even
when he plays well, they find ways to trash him, so if I were him, I couldn't get out of vancouver fast
enough.

Then, schneider has to agree to terms with canucks, and want to stay here, and I don't think that will be
very difficult to settle, he is a restricted free agent, so he stays under the control of the team,
and unless another team gives him an offer sheet, he and the canucks can come to an agreement of salary,
SO, that tells me that canucks must settle things with luongo BEFORE the time arrives where another team
is allowed to send him an offer sheet, otherwise canucks will have to match the offer sheet, or let schneider
go, if he wants to sign with the other team, but they do get compensation from the other team when that
happens, so all is not lost, but they certainly don't want to be left without either goalie, that would be
a disaster.

AND, ever since hodgson was traded the media has whined and complained because gillis didn't give enough
information as to 'why' the trade took place, they only knew that the hodgson camp had asked for a trade.

NOW after gillis further explained that trade the media is going very stupid again and accusing gillis
of throwing hodgson under the bus, and they can't wait to interview hodgson and also the g.m. of buffalo.
I detest the media. Everything this team does, has to be inspite of the media, and not ever supported
by them. urgggghhhh

 

[JLM]

AND, ever since hodgson was traded the media has whined and complained because gillis didn't give enough
information as to 'why' the trade took place, they only knew that the hodgson camp had asked for a trade.

NOW after gillis further explained that trade the media is going very stupid again and accusing gillis
of throwing hodgson under the bus, and they can't wait to interview hodgson and also the g.m. of buffalo.
I detest the media. Everything this team does, has to be inspite of the media, and not ever supported
by them. urgggghhhh

Yep, they are about one rung lower than used,,,,,,,,,,oooooooooops I mean to say PREOWNED car salesmen. :lol:

Well, I guess Boston is smirking on the other side of their faces now. Just the Rangers to get deep sixed now!

 

[talloola]

Yep, they are about one rung lower than used,,,,,,,,,,oooooooooops I mean to say PREOWNED car salesmen. :lol:

Well, I guess Boston is smirking on the other side of their faces now. Just the Rangers to get deep sixed now!

whats the other one ---lower than a rattle snake in a wagon wheel rut.

yeah, boston was only a middle of the road team this year,(as they were last year all season, and even
thru the playoffs,till the final, narowlly beat out tampa bay,) now they are goners, gone and completely
forgotton.

 

[TenPenny]

Why did the PA announcer in Vancouver adopt that really annoying 'Whooooo!' recording that the guy in Boston does? What's up with that anyway?

 

[Kreskin]

I think Luongo will go to Toronto. Burke doesn't have a lot assets to trade for anybody. But they do have money. Vancouver will be lucky to find anyone willing to take him let alone get much back imo. Burke could be doing Vancouver a big favor by just taking over the contract for perhaps a token draft pick or futures deal. This way Toronto can move some of their goaltenders to help bolster some other areas of their club or put some draft picks into their system. I believe they have 3 or 4 that might be of interest to other teams on a backup level or for future development. Luongo comes with experience and is a pretty good team player. He might help the remaining guys and the rest of the team from a lockerroom standpoint. I also think that whatever Rollie Melanson has been coaching to hasn't worked. A fresh set of coaching eyes might do him well.

 

[talloola]

I think Luongo will go to Toronto. Burke doesn't have a lot assets to trade for anybody. But they do have money. Vancouver will be lucky to find anyone willing to take him let alone get much back imo. Burke could be doing Vancouver a big favor by just taking over the contract for perhaps a token draft pick or futures deal. This way Toronto can move some of their goaltenders to help bolster some other areas of their club or put some draft picks into their system. I believe they have 3 or 4 that might be of interest to other teams on a backup level or for future development. Luongo comes with experience and is a pretty good team player. He might help the remaining guys and the rest of the team from a lockerroom standpoint. I also think that whatever Rollie Melanson has been coaching to hasn't worked. A fresh set of coaching eyes might do him well.

well, the first thing I am remembering is how irate burke was about those long term contracts, stating
how they were not at the best interest of how the league should be run, so if he is inteested in luongo
he will have to swallow those words, and he spouted them out loud and clear.

also, there are other goalies out there who could also be available, not just luongo, so we shouldn't automatically think they will jump to luongo.

nonis loves luongo, that is why he came to canucks, nonis said he was the best goalie in the world,
when asked, (before he came), so there is a connection there, and he is in toronto.

not sure if toronto finally has a first round draft pick, they have traded so many of them away, but
maybe this year they do, I don't know, oh yes, now that I think about it, they do,
as they are fifth on that lottery from a couple of weeks ago, so they have the
fifth overall pick, don't think he will give that up for luongo, as well as take
the lengthy contract.
Luongo loves the pressure, he would enjoy the big buzz that is always around toronto, and he actually
loves that about vancouver too.

Both teams have to get money out from under their cap before they can do any trading, as right now
a team still cannot do a trade that will put them over the cap, that only can happen after july 1 if
I remember correctly, then they have to come under the cap before first league game in the fall.
So, canucks can't sign schneider to a long term contract before luongo is traded, and burke can't
sign luongo to a contract before he brings his cap down as well.

canucks must sign schneider before july 1 so that other teams do not give him
an offer sheet, which can happen after july 1.

They can make verbal agreements, but it seems luongo will have to leave in the near future, so
canucks can sign schneider, and whatever burke or anyone has to do is their problem.

Maybe tampa bay or florida doesn't have any cap problems, so they can do whatever they want.

There is a site that shows all of the teams cap figures.

According to rumours luongo is going to give gillis a list of about 6 teams he would be interested
in joining, then gillis can go from there.

 

[talloola]

I'm starting to wonder about the absence of vineault appearing, for his end of the year press conference.

gillis gave him a big complement during 'his' talk, and it seemed like he would be supporting him 100%,
although he didn't come out and actually say that vineault was staying on.

SO, I am beginning to wonder if vineault is negotiating with montreal, and won't be talking to the
media till he has made up his mind concerning what he will do next season.

It is just a bit out of the ordinary that he hasn't yet had his press conference, as it is a yearly
appearance for all of the manangement/coaching staff when the team is finished for the season.

 

[dumpthemonarchy]

Gillis better make a decent deal for Luongo. For $8 million a year we got sub par players in Ballard and Booth. Not to mention giving away Cody Hodgson. The Canucks have two good goalies, which is two more than many other teams have. Reporters saying Luong's contract is so big, any trade will amount to a salary dump are lackeys, they sound like they want to stay in the good graces of hockey GMs to keep getting stories. Gillis better get a top player for Luongo, or he's outta Vancouver. Players win cups, cash does not.

Otherwise don't trade Bobby Lou. No hurry, Luongo must play to get paid, I'm sure his wife in Florida likes the money.

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

Gillis better make a decent deal for Luongo. For $8 million a year we got sub par players in Ballard and Booth. Not to mention giving away Cody Hodgson. The Canucks have two good goalies, which is two more than many other teams have. Reporters saying Luong's contract is so big, any trade will amount to a salary dump are lackeys, they sound like they want to stay in the good graces of hockey GMs to keep getting stories. Gillis better get a top player for Luongo, or he's outta Vancouver. Players win cups, cash does not.

Otherwise don't trade Bobby Lou. No hurry, Luongo must play to get paid, I'm sure his wife in Florida likes the money.

If they want a player, the Cannucks would have to eat a good part of the contract. If they want out of the contract, they may be forced to take next to nothing in actual return. No team is going to be stupid enough to take on a huge contract and give up good players and prospects as well. If they do, that GM should be fired.

 

[Kreskin]

Gillis better make a decent deal for Luongo. For $8 million a year we got sub par players in Ballard and Booth. Not to mention giving away Cody Hodgson. The Canucks have two good goalies, which is two more than many other teams have. Reporters saying Luong's contract is so big, any trade will amount to a salary dump are lackeys, they sound like they want to stay in the good graces of hockey GMs to keep getting stories. Gillis better get a top player for Luongo, or he's outta Vancouver. Players win cups, cash does not.

Otherwise don't trade Bobby Lou. No hurry, Luongo must play to get paid, I'm sure his wife in Florida likes the money.

Zach Kassian has a lot of potential. People forget that the Canucks gave up on a young Cam Neely in exchange for a small and modest goal scorer Barry Pederson. In Neely's third year with Vancouver he scored 14 goals. Not exactly ripping up the league. Lets judge the Hodgson/Kassian trade in 3 or 4 years.

 

[dumpthemonarchy]

If they want a player, the Cannucks would have to eat a good part of the contract. If they want out of the contract, they may be forced to take next to nothing in actual return. No team is going to be stupid enough to take on a huge contract and give up good players and prospects as well. If they do, that GM should be fired.

Many teams out there would be much much better if they had a goalie, ONE frigging goalie, and they have none. Canuck fans go from being super cool to panicky, time to relax, smoke some BC Bud and forget about it all for a while. There is a top goalie that may be on the market, and its time to wait for offers. We've got the asset that wins games, if they want it, they must make good offers, ONO.

Zach Kassian has a lot of potential. People forget that the Canucks gave up on a young Cam Neely in exchange for a small and modest goal scorer Barry Pederson. In Neely's third year with Vancouver he scored 14 goals. Not exactly ripping up the league. Lets judge the Hodgson/Kassian trade in 3 or 4 years.

3 or 4 years? who cares about that? We want a cup now! The window is now, the Sedins won't be scroing like they are now in half a decade.

So, wait, calm down and let's not compound our mistakes with another rerun of Cam Neely, a true tragedy for the Canucks.

 

[Kreskin]

So, wait, calm down and let's not compound our mistakes with another rerun of Cam Neely, a true tragedy for the Canucks.

Kassian is more the potential Neely in this trade. The Hodgson's of the world are a dime a dozen.

What do you plan to have for a team in 3 or 4 years if you just want to stack it for a single cup run? The Rangers bought teams now-only for decades without actually building for the future and they weren't successful.

 

[dumpthemonarchy]

Kassian is more the potential Neely in this trade. The Hodgson's of the world are a dime a dozen.

What do you plan to have for a team in 3 or 4 years if you just want to stack it for a single cup run? The Rangers bought teams now-only for decades without actually building for the future and they weren't successful.

The point is this, Luongo is a very good player, with a cap hit of $5M he much better than Booth and Ballard at $8 million. And we expected those guys to make a difference, and they didn't. Don't follow the silly herd here, over and over again. Luongo got his dough, but he doesn't call the shots or the supine media. Give away another player? No way.

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

Many teams out there would be much much better if they had a goalie, ONE frigging goalie, and they have none. Canuck fans go from being super cool to panicky, time to relax, smoke some BC Bud and forget about it all for a while. There is a top goalie that may be on the market, and its time to wait for offers. We've got the asset that wins games, if they want it, they must make good offers, ONO..

One that wins so many games he was pulled after game 2 of the 1st round playoffs? Other GMs do watch other teams and know what value the Canucks have in him and how desperate they may be to move them. I suspect that Canuck fans may be overestimating the value of their goalie and looking at what they could get is through rose coloured glasses.

 

[#juan]

Kassian is more the potential Neely in this trade. The Hodgson's of the world are a dime a dozen.
.

Hodgson is probably a very nice guy but I don't think he is going to be a superstar hero any time soon. One question; If Luongo and Schneider are the two best goaltenders in the league, how come the Canucks were blown out of the playoffs in the first round? That
could be a question that prospective buyers of goaltenders might ask. What the Canucks need are two or three good defensmen who can score goals.

 

[Kreskin]

The point is this, Luongo is a very good player, with a cap hit of $5M he much better than Booth and Ballard at $8 million. And we expected those guys to make a difference, and they didn't. Don't follow the silly herd here, over and over again. Luongo got his dough, but he doesn't call the shots or the supine media. Give away another player? No way.

The problem is Luongo doesn't play defense or forward. You can only play one goalie at a time.

Gillis mentioned that Kassian was elgible to play junior last year. He's out of shape, young, but has size and talent. Did you not watch him at the World Junior a couple of years ago? He was a force on Team Canada. His upside potential is huge. There are no guarantees in this world. Risk-takers make the most gains in everything. If one expects to wait and watch someone become a strong power forward elsewhere then try to acquire him once he's completely proven and Stanley Cup ready, it won't happen.

 

[talloola]

gillis will try to gather as many interested teams as he can find, that is his job. The more teams
who are interested in luongo, the better the return.

The interest in luongo from outside this franchise is interesting, as there are some who don't
see him as a top goalie, BUT there are many who DO, so if gillis musters up 4 or 5 teams who
want to negotiate for luongo, then his stock will rise considerably.

Kassian is only 21, the judgement on him by many is ridiculous, we can see quite easily what he
has the potential to do, he is big, a very good skater, he knows how to play, he is fearless, and
he wants to be the best he can be, he has a very good attitude, NOW step back and let the coaching
staff develope him, I see a player emerging in 3 or 4 years as a top power forward, and during that
3 to 4 years, we will see the improvement each year, I find that exciting, just as I do for the other
very young players that will be coming onto the team over the next one or 2 years, that is what it is
all about, developing young up n coming talent, just like they did with the sedins, who were not very
exciting at all in their first few years, but just look at them now.

instant gratification isn't the idea here, development is, there are very few players who make a big
splash instantly, once in a while.

The problem is Luongo doesn't play defense or forward. You can only play one goalie at a time.

Gillis mentioned that Kassian was elgible to play junior last year. He's out of shape, young, but has size and talent. Did you not watch him at the World Junior a couple of years ago? He was a force on Team Canada. His upside potential is huge. There are no guarantees in this world. Risk-takers make the most gains in everything. If one expects to wait and watch someone become a strong power forward elsewhere then try to acquire him once he's completely proven and Stanley Cup ready, it won't happen.

yep, and that is exactly what gillis said, that kind of player is very hard to get, they are not
available, so when kasian became available, he grabbed him. Buffalo wanted him to be very physical
right away, and he wasn't, so they decided to let him go, not a good idea.
Hodgson will be fine in buffalo, a useful player, a smart player, a poor skater, but he will manage
himself up and down the ice just fine, and he will score enough goals to be helpful, but he isn't
big, he is small, and his skating, (which is something canucks had him working hard on for the last
two years, just isn't very good), he is fine in the zone, but I watched him, many times struggling
to catch up when the play suddenly turns and goes up the ice, his short legs, and short stride just
isn't good enough, but he will do just fine.
I'm glad gillis did the trade, and am learning that the 'hodgson camp' la la la, like an entourage,
was constantly nit picking at gillis, hence his statement to the media the other day.
Reminds me of the lindros family, who would not stay out of their son's career, and made pests of
themselves.

 

[dumpthemonarchy]

Hodgson is probably a very nice guy but I don't think he is going to be a superstar hero any time soon. One question; If Luongo and Schneider are the two best goaltenders in the league, how come the Canucks were blown out of the playoffs in the first round? That
could be a question that prospective buyers of goaltenders might ask. What the Canucks need are two or three good defensmen who can score goals.

Last year the goalies and coach let us down, this year it was the players as the team was in a funk, they were funking dull. Last year, if Vignaeult had played Schneider in game 3 or 4 in Boston before Luongo had let in 4 goals, we might have won the series in 6 games. No, Luongo was the man, he had to win the cup for us.

With a team like Toronto, on the cusp of the playoffs, a goalie like Luongo can help them make the playoffs, and the franchise makes extra millions. So his salary is no big deal here. So, we can demand a proven player and a prospect for Luongo from a team like the Leafs. Teams that need to make a run for the playoffs, we hold the cards because one player, a goalie can make a difference.