Hot Sauce Punishment.. Child Abuse?

Kreskin

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So what is the the appropriate punishment for a kid that is a bull****ter?
Why punish him? That's probably why he's bull**ting, scared of mom going mental. Tell him not to lie. Pretty novel, eh?
 

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They administer hot sauce to prisoners for punishment? Really?
Hot sauce no...



Worse, pepper spray.

This child is not a criminal. Prisoners lose rights when they commit a crime.
They do not lose the right to not be assaulted.

This child hasnt and shouldn't be subjected to the treatment of criminals.
I agree, which is why hot sauce isn't the same thing a pepper spray. I took cold baths as a kid, because we were running out of fire wood for luxuries such as hot water.

To put hot sauce in the kids mouth she'd have to use physical force to do it, and to keep the kid in the shower.
I just told my boys to go get the hot sauce and a spoon. They did the rest. 2 minutes of it in their mouths, spit and an apology. They began to like hot sauce and the punishment became a joke as they kept asking for hotter sauces.

That would be assault.
Nope. Parents are legally allowed to restrain their children, and administer corporal punishment. But even then, she didn't hold him down, or in anyway strike, or physically restrain him, as she put a splash of hot sauce in his mouth.

Apparently the court agreed at the very least that it was illegal in some respect.
The court agreed? She's been charged, not convicted.

The court agreed with nothing.

I bet she walks when the court actually here's the case. My guess is the state acted on complaint from overly sensitive pussies. More so than acting upon an actually perceived crime.
 

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Why punish him? That's probably why he's bull**ting, scared of mom going mental. Tell him not to lie. Pretty novel, eh?

Are you one of those people who think kids only lie when they have a reason to? It's funny to watch what happens to people like that when they're on the receiving end.
 

Kreskin

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Are you one of those people who think kids only lie when they have a reason to? It's funny to watch what happens to people like that when they're on the receiving end.
All kids bs. I've caught my own many times. Rather than beat her I use the novel approach of a conversation. Bringing out hot sauce is simply stupid and unnecessary.
 

CDNBear

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All kids bs. I've caught my own many times. Rather than beat her I use the novel approach of a conversation. Bringing out hot sauce is simply stupid and unnecessary.
Are all kids like your kids?

I can guarantee you, although my kids would call you sir while they do it, they would run rough shod over you in a week.

But...

I can see what you are saying. I use the one minute manager approach. Any address for negative behavior, is addressed in one minute or less. Any address for positive behavior is long winded, drawn out and boisterous.

I use the same approach in running a business or leading men.

But when dealing with overt negative behavior, sometimes one must up the measures, based on the child themselves.

I have two boys, and each one was dealt with differently, because they both respond differently to either punishment or praise.

But good order and discipline must be maintained at all costs.
 

Kreskin

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Bear, parenting is about the easiest thing a human can do. Don't complicate it with needless punishment.
 

CDNBear

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Bear, parenting is about the easiest thing a human can do.
I'm truly not trying to pick a fight, but that's ridiculous.

I have to contend with media that tries to fill my kids heads with all manner of stupid. People who think they're inferior because they're Native. People who call them "Boy, killers" because they're Cadets. People who tell them they're murders because they kill fish. And so on.

Don't complicate it with needless punishment.
I punish when and only when is absolutely necessary.

I hate to brag, they aren't perfect, but they are survivors, and constantly complimented on their manners/respect, quick to offer a hand attitude and general behaviour.

They didn't get that way because I dropped the ball, or was abusive.
 

Kreskin

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Perhaps, but we all take too much credit. Our kids will be fine as long as we don't screw them up.
 

CDNBear

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Perhaps, but we all take too much credit. Our kids will be fine as long as we don't screw them up.
What about those model parents, whose children grow up and enter the penal system?

Who screws them up?

Are we not our children's guardians?

We have a duty to do what we think is right, in how we raise our kids.

What worked for mine, may not work for yours. But than again, we are completely different people, with wholly different expectations.

Regardless, a dash of hot sauce or a cold shower, is hardly abuse. IMHO, it makes a mockery and trivializes real abuse.
 

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Bear, parenting is about the easiest thing a human can do. Don't complicate it with needless punishment.

The easiest thing??? No. The most important thing definitely, but not the easiest! Children do not spring forth as fully formed conscientious human beings directly from the womb, they need to be guided and taught. And instilling self-discipline by means of discipline is a large part of that.

Regardless, a dash of hot sauce or a cold shower, is hardly abuse. IMHO, it makes a mockery and trivializes real abuse.

That, in a nutshell, is one of the biggest problems in today's society from my point of view. Everyone is so quick to point a finger and make every single incident so much larger than what it is. When exactly did becoming a "victim" become the thing to be?

Sometimes I really worry about the fate of humanity.
 

Kreskin

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If you have to beat a kid or stuff hot sauce down his throat to make a point then you trivialize normal behavior. What if she's out of hot sauce? Does she have to go to the grocery store to get her next stock of parenting equipment? What would be her next parenting weapon choice?
 

CDNBear

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If you have to beat a kid or stuff hot sauce down his throat to make a point then you trivialize normal behavior.
Who said they beat their kids? Who's stuffing hot sauce down a kids throat?

What if she's out of hot sauce?

Does she have to go to the grocery store to get her next stock of parenting equipment?

What would be her next parenting weapon choice?
I don't know the answers Kreskin, I'm not prone using my imagination to form or answer questions.

Why don't you tell us what she would do?
 

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Absolutely this is child abuse. I had this done to me as a young teen by my mother, but she put it in my eyes. She had my older brother hold me down and put drops of tabasco in my eyes. That was one of her milder forms of abuse.

Anyone that would excuse this kind of behavior is sick.
 

CDNBear

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Absolutely this is child abuse. I had this done to me as a young teen by my mother, but she put it in my eyes.
Then you didn't have it done to you when you were a child. The lady in this situation, put a dash in the child's mouth, not his eyes.

She had my older brother hold me down and put drops of tabasco in my eyes.
Again, nothing like what the child in this situation went through

That was one of her milder forms of abuse.
And abuse it is.
Anyone that would excuse this kind of behavior is sick.
Anyone that would confuse or equate what you just made public, with what happened in the video, is an idiot.

Are there any other elephants you want to compare to apples?