Hitler fanatic is kicked out of supermarket for wearing Nazi outfit

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On his website, Mr Dutton says his partner left him after he became fascinated with Nazism and claims that Hitler and Eva Braun faked their deaths and went on to have children in Argentina. He also uses a quote saying that the Holocaust was a ‘necessary evil’.

Last night Mr Dutton insisted that he is not racist.


and your point is? That he should have been kicked out of that store? That he should have had the cops called on him? Is there anything else they should have done? Locked him up? Strung him up? Gassed him?
 

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and your point is? That he should have been kicked out of that store? That he should have had the cops called on him? Is there anything else they should have done? Locked him up? Strung him up? Gassed him?
In Canada an establishment has the right to refuse service- I imagine it is the same or similar in the UK.
 

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However repugnant it may have been, I see nothing wrong with it as far as the Canadian Charter or the US Constitution goes, but Brits are weird and apparently don't believe in freedom of expression.

The British fought and defeated the Nazis to stop them parading around European cities in their uniforms.

In many other European countries, it is illegal to wear such outfits or to even display the Swastika.

It's easy for a North American to make such silly comments when they didn't have the experience of the Nazis that us Europeans had.

You didn't have these guys perpetrating their atrocities on your own doorstep.

I wonder if you'd have made such a comment had this guy gone shopping wearing a Ku Klux Klan outfit.
 

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I wonder if you'd have made such a comment had this guy gone shopping wearing a Ku Klux Klan outfit.
I believe he would have Blackleaf, it's not illegal to wear a KKK outfit unless one accompanies it with aggression, then the aggression would be addressed from a legal standpoint but not the crazy pointy hatted sheet outfit.
 

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For the same reason I would not want to live beside someone obsessed with gun ownership, or someone obsessed with bombs. Obsession with anything radical is indicative of mental imbalance and is more likely to lead to problems than having a good neighbour who is balanced.
And you are qualified to determine the mental health of a person you never met how?
His Hitler obsession will include a plethora of literature on why anyone other than the Aryan race is inferior. Feeding oneself with such garbage could lead to potential problems especially if one begins to identify with such a group as he clearly has. Feelings of superiority come from fears of inferiority and they often feel the need to prove themselves.
Hitler's use of Autarky was something to be admired, even from a psycho like him. We in Canada should aspire to a similar, protective economic system. Hitler may have become insane due to syphilis and gone over the top with expansionist plans and the 'final solution' but in the beginning he was an astute politician with a determination to enhance the lives of the German people. He got elected in a landslide for good reasons.

Just because I know some will ask...
Autarky - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 

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The British fought and defeated the Nazis to stop them parading around European cities in their uniforms.

In many other European countries, it is illegal to wear such outfits or to even display the Swastika.

It's easy for a North American to make such silly comments when they didn't have the experience of the Nazis that us Europeans had.

You didn't have these guys perpetrating their atrocities on your own doorstep.

I wonder if you'd have made such a comment had this guy gone shopping wearing a Ku Klux Klan outfit.

Why would you ban an ancient symbol of good luck?

The swastika (卐) (Sanskrit: स्वस्तिक) is an equilateral cross with four arms bent at 90 degrees. The earliest archaeological evidence of swastika-shaped ornaments dates back to the Indus Valley Civilization as well as the Mediterranean Classical Antiquity and paleolithic Europe. Swastikas have also been used in various other ancient civilizations around the world including Turkic, India, Iran, Nepal, China, Japan, Korea and Europe. It remains widely used in Indian religions, specifically in Hinduism, Buddhism, and Jainism, primarily as a tantric symbol to evoke shakti or the sacred symbol of auspiciousness. The word "swastika" comes from the Sanskrit svastika - "su" (meaning "good" or "auspicious") combined with "asti" (meaning "it is"), along with the diminutive suffix "ka." The swastika literally means "it is good."
The symbol has a long history in Europe reaching back to antiquity. In modern times, following a brief surge of popularity as a good luck symbol in Western culture
Swastika - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

huh?

which quote of mine are you referring to Nick?

The one I quoted where you say his actions indicate 'mental-imbalance'. I suppose I could also refer to where you call him a 'fruit-loop'. Point is you have no idea who he is or what he is like. All you know is he wore an SS uniform in public.
 

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He got elected in a landslide for good reasons.

Just because I know some will ask...
Autarky - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Hitler got elected in a landslide because he ordered his NSDAP and SA (brownshirts) thugs, led by Hermann Goering, the guy who would later bomb Britain, to intimidate and physically attack rival political party politicians and those who voted for those parties. In other words, he made people terrified of voting for any party other than the Nazi Party.

He was also good at the use of propaganda, in which he told the German people that the Jews were to blame for Germany's economic woes; that Germany under his leadership would break free from the restrictions of the Treaty of Versailles; and that he would end Germany's payment of reparations.

In short, the Nazi Party gained power by their use of intimidation, thuggery and propaganda.
 
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The one I quoted where you say his actions indicate 'mental-imbalance'.
I view obsession of any type as a possible indicator of imbalance. However, with his particular obsession he states himself, that it is so encompassing that he lost his wife over it. Thus in my opinion he is unbalanced as opposed to being in balance. He is also oblivious either by choice or not of the people's reaction to a Nazi uniform. While one can support his right to wear it, it is not normal behavior thus it is abnormal.

I was being polite as well. The guy is a fuk nut.
 

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Why would you ban an ancient symbol of good luck?
Germany did- and for good reason

The one I quoted where you say his actions indicate 'mental-imbalance'. I suppose I could also refer to where you call him a 'fruit-loop'. Point is you have no idea who he is or what he is like. All you know is he wore an SS uniform in public.

The guy is a fruit loop- the Final Solution he agrees with. Enuff for me to decide.
And whether Hitler was a nut case caused by an STD or just a plain nutcase does not matter.
He was a genocidal megalomaniac

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I suppose I could also refer to where you call him a 'fruit-loop'. Point is you have no idea who he is or what he is like. All you know is he wore an SS uniform in public.
No actually Nick I do know more about him, because I read the article where he states his beliefs and speaks of his obsession and the consequences so far, thus my judgement came from far more information than that he just wore an SS uniform to a store.

Do you view that as a problem?
 

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No actually Nick I do know more about him, because I read the article where he states his beliefs and speaks of his obsession and the consequences so far, thus my judgement came from far more information than that he just wore an SS uniform to a store.

Do you view that as a problem?
Save it Sal, PN doesn't understand that people can gather an opinion from reviewing peoples commentary and admissions.
 

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Save it Sal, PN doesn't understand that people can gather an opinion from reviewing peoples commentary and admissions.

To me this guy is whacked- and if I was running a private establishment- refuse service as is my right and the escort him from the property.
 

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Six million Jews didn't find it very lucky.

Including my grandmother's parents and brother and uncle. Grandma always wore long sleeves to hide her souvenier from Dachau. It doesn't mean the ancient symbol is a bad thing. Hell even the nazis bore it as a symbol of luck and fortune.

To me this guy is whacked- and if I was running a private establishment- refuse service as is my right and the escort him from the property.
I would take his money and tell him he had big brass ones for wearing it in public. He might not be someone I want to be friends with but his money is the same as anyone else.
 

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It is not the uniform the uniform is the symbol of the most oppressive ideology
next to fundamentalist Islam and extreme Christianity of course. The Nazi
movement was outlawed in Western countries and in many still is. It therefore
is not about free speech its about the Law.
In addition the raised arm as portrayed in the pics here has nothing to do with
a Nazi salute. The Nazi Salute was ver specific one for official ceremonies and
one for casual. All the various leaders pictured here was done for hype and
detracted from the conversation.
The man was lucky there are still some very bad feeling to the Nazi movement
mostly because a lot of people died at their hands. Censoring him is not the
issue, while I agree you can't shut down an idea, displaying the artifacts and flags
and uniforms should be verboten if its against the law in a given country.
I have no time for racists before breakfast or after for that matter.
 

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It doesn't mean the ancient symbol is a bad thing.

It is to the millions of victims of the Nazis, many of whom are still alive.

That's why it's illegal to display the Swastika in many European countries.

Mrs Rusin, whose grandmother was a victim of the Nazis, didn't appreciate a Swastika-clad Dutton walking around Asda in that uniform, and nor did that woman who was moved to tears.

The Swastika and the Nazi uniform may be a trivial thing to North Americans, but it isn't to Europeans.
 

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When minister Francis Bellamy published the American Pledge of Allegiance in Youth’s Companion in 1892, his colleague James Upham devised a salute to go along with it, snapping the heels together and extending the right arm toward the flag:
At a signal from the Principal the pupils, in ordered ranks, hands to the side, face the Flag. Another signal is given; every pupil gives the flag the military salute — right hand lifted, palm downward, to a line with the forehead and close to it. Standing thus, all repeat together, slowly, ‘I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands; one Nation indivisible, with Liberty and Justice for all.’ At the words, ‘to my Flag,’ the right hand is extended gracefully, palm upward, toward the Flag, and remains in this gesture till the end of the affirmation; whereupon all hands immediately drop to the side.

This worked fine until the 1920s, when Italian fascists and then German Nazis adopted similar salutes. Congress delicately changed the American salute to the hand-on-heart gesture in 1942.



Bellamy salute - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



The Bellamy Salute



 

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That's why it's illegal to display the Swastika in many European countries.

So it is illegal to express my buddist religion through display of the religious symbol in Europe. Cool. I can't wait for my next trip to see if the EU is ready to be sued for infringing on my religious freedom.