Hillary a MONSTER?

[talloola]

Hi, talloola;
I can't be wrong then with my sizing-up of him, if you see him in the same light!! But... how come the Americans want another brutal and ruthless leader? Aren't they by now fed-up with that aggressive and break-neck war path?

Bush and Cheney both were never soldiers, never fought in a war, and yet, they are at the helm of a humongous war machine. It's an EGO thing, I believe... an addiction to the feeling of power.

Yes, and it's also a 'cowards' way of fighting a war, sit back in a big leather chair, and send
your young men and women to die, knowing you don't have to.

 

[talloola]

I don't thi nk she is a monster, BUT she certainly made a fool out of herself a few days
ago, saying that when she went to Bosnia they had to run for cover and dodge flying bullets,
when leaving the plane, AND it has been proven to be a lie, as they have footage of her
and her party leaving the plane. NO SUCH PROBLEMS. Very congenial arrival at the
airport, lots of smiles and a very nice greeting.

 

[Colpy]

Yes, and it's also a 'cowards' way of fighting a war, sit back in a big leather chair, and send
your young men and women to die, knowing you don't have to.

Fair enough when speaking of Bush the Younger, but McCain has more than proven himself in that theatre...............

Obama and Clinton certainly have not......

I instinctively distrust the "cult of personality" growing around Obama....I've seen little substance......and his relationship with Mr. Looney the Vicar is scary............mind you that is only guilt by association, and I'd MUCH rather have Obama in than Clinton......

And I'd much rather have McCain in than either........I read polls that say McCain would beat either Democrat handily.........of course, the actual election is not for8 months.......and polls DON'T tell who will get the voters out..........

 

[talloola]

Fair enough when speaking of Bush the Younger, but McCain has more than proven himself in that theatre...............

Obama and Clinton certainly have not......
Yes, McCain has proven himself as a soldier, but who cares, the u.s. is not voting for
a new supreme commander in the field, it is for president of the u.s., and being the
commander in chief is only part of that job. A true leader is a true leader, and much
of that talent is born into that individual, as he/she just knows how to bring people
together, do and say the right things, at the right time, and have great diplomacy, which
will go a long way around the world, and will prevent he/she from racing into war for
no reason at all, which is what happened in Iraq.

I instinctively distrust the "cult of personality" growing around Obama....I've seen little substance......and his relationship with Mr. Looney the Vicar is scary..
Anyone who watched and listened to his speech a couple of days after all the fuss,
should have been completely put at rest, as to his inner feelings toward the
american people and race in that country. Of course the republicans, and hilliary now
that she is trying to distract her 'blunder', will beat that to death, and it eventually
makes the accusers look foolish. It was a great speech. He wrote the entire speech
'himself'., and that is pretty obvious, as no one could write those words for anyone else.


And I'd much rather have McCain in than either........I read polls that say McCain would beat either Democrat handily..
If anyone looks long and hard enough they can find the poll that agrees with them.
I don't mind McCain, he is a good person, but far too militaristic and too old, it's time
to move forward beyond all of that war talk all the time, and defeating terrorism all
around the world, he seems to live for that type of presidency, so if he is elected it
will just be the 3rd term for george bush.
They should put the clintons behind them, the bushs behind them, and mcCain as well.
It's time to move out of that era.

 

[paullind10]

Obama is the heavy favorite now, but after his support for his racist preacher Clinton will be giving him a run for his money till the end. The preacher screwup alone probably can't screwup Obama's chances alone, if he takes the high road the rest of the way he should win, unless some other racist friend comes out of the word work again.

 

[gopher]

``his support for his racist preacher``


McLame said he was "honored" to have been endorsed by racist preachers Hagee and Parsley. In fact he called the latter his role model. This has been no big deal as far as the public is concerned.

 

[zoofer]

Annie on Shrillery..

Hillary: Swiftboated!
by Ann Coulter (more by this author)
Posted 03/26/2008 ET

She claimed that she came under sniper fire when she visited in Bosnia in 1996, but was contradicted by videotape showing her sauntering off the plane and stopping on the tarmac to listen to a little girl read her a poem.
Similarly, John Kerry's claim to heroism in Vietnam was contradicted by 264 Swift Boat Veterans who served with him. His claim to having been on a secret mission to Cambodia for President Nixon on Christmas 1968 was contradicted not only by all of his commanders -- who said he would have been court-martialed if he had gone anywhere near Cambodia -- but also the simple fact that Nixon wasn't president on Christmas 1968.
In Hillary's defense, she probably deserves a Purple Heart about as much as Kerry did for his service in Vietnam.
Also, unlike Kerry, Hillary acknowledged her error, telling the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review: "I was sleep-deprived, and I misspoke." (What if she's sleep-deprived when she gets that call on the red phone at 3 a.m., imagines a Russian nuclear attack and responds with mutual assured destruction? Oops. "It proves I'm human.")
The reason no one claims Hillary is being "swiftboated" is that the definition of "swiftboating" is: "producing irrefutable evidence that a Democrat is lying." And for purposes of her race against matinee idol B. Hussein Obama, Hillary has become the media's honorary Republican.
In liberal-speak, only a Democrat can be swiftboated. Democrats are "swiftboated"; Republicans are "guilty." So as an honorary Republican, Hillary isn't being swiftboated; she's just lying.
Indeed, instead of attacking the people who produced a video of Hillary's uneventful landing in Bosnia, the mainstream media are the people who discovered that video.
I've always wondered how a Democrat would fare being treated like a Republican by the media. Now we know.
It's such fun watching liberals turn on the Clintons! The bitter infighting among Democrats is especially enjoyable after having to listen to Democrats hyperventilate for months about how delighted they were to have so many wonderful choices for president.
Now liberals just want to be rid of the Clintons -- which is as close to actual mainstream thinking as they've been in years. So the media suddenly notice when Hillary "misspeaks," while rushing to make absurd excuses for much greater outrages by her opponent.
Liberals are even using the Slick Willy defense when Obama is caught fraternizing with a racist loon. When Bill Clinton was exposed as a philandering, adulterous, pathological liar, his defenders said that everybody is a philandering, adulterous, pathological liar.
And now, when B. Hussein Obama is caught in a 20-year relationship with a raving racist, his defenders scream that everybody is a racist wack-job.
In the Obama speech on race that Chris Matthews deemed "worthy of Abraham Lincoln," B. Hussein Obama defended Wright's anti-American statements, saying:
"For the men and women of Rev. Wright's generation, the memories of humiliation and doubt and fear have not gone away; nor has the anger and the bitterness of those years. That anger may not get expressed in public, in front of white co-workers or white friends. But it does find voice in the barbershop or around the kitchen table."
So in the speech the media are telling us is on a par with the Gettysburg Address, B. Hussein Obama casually informed us that even blacks who seem to like white people actually hate our guts.
First of all: Watch out the next time you get your hair cut by a black barber over the age of 50.
Second, Rev. Wright's world wasn't segregated.
And third, what about Wright's wanton anti-Semitism? All the liberals (including essence-besplattered Chris Matthews) have accepted Obama's defense of Wright and want us to understand Wright's "legitimate" rage over his painful youth in segregated America.
But the anti-Semitic tone of Wright's sermons is as clear as his rage against the United States. Rev. Wright calls Israel a "dirty word" and a "racist country." He denounces Zionism and calls for divestment from Israel.
In addition to videos of Rev. Wright's sermons, Obama's church also offers for sale sermons by Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan, whom Rev. Wright joined on a visit to Moammar Gadhafi in Libya in 1984. Just last year, Obama's church awarded Farrakhan the Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr. Trumpeter Award, saying Farrakhan "truly epitomized greatness."
What, pray tell, is the legitimate source of Wright's anti-Semitism? I believe Brother Obama passed over that issue entirely in his "conversation," even as he made the obligatory bow to Israel's status as one of our "stalwart allies." Why does crazy "uncle" Wright dislike Jews?
Will liberals contend that these remarks were "taken out of context"? Maybe Wright's church was trying to say that Farrakhan isn't great when it said he "epitomized greatness." Who knows? We weren't there.
Can liberals please educate us on the "legitimate" impulses behind Rev. Wright's Jew-baiting?

Ann Coulter is Legal Affairs Correspondent for HUMAN EVENTS and author of "High Crimes and Misdemeanors," "Slander," ""How to Talk to a Liberal (If You Must)," "Godless," and most recently, "If Democrats Had Any Brains, They'd Be Republicans."
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=25728

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[Colpy]

``his support for his racist preacher``


McLame said he was "honored" to have been endorsed by racist preachers Hagee and Parsley. In fact he called the latter his role model. This has been no big deal as far as the public is concerned.

I'm gonna take you to task, Gopher..........

I don't care if you like John McCain or not......that is entirely up to you, and I would respect your political views.

However, to call him down as "McLame" is OUTRAGEOUS!

Exactly what have you sacrificed to serve your country?

Then look in the mirror, and ask "mirror, mirror on the wall, who's the lamest ass of all?"

You won't like the answer......

 

[Colpy]

Zoofer, Thanks for the Anne Coulter thing.....Anne is outrageous, sometimes she needs a hard kick in the arse......and sometimes she is just absolutely correct.

This would be one of the latter.

Guess she is over her flirtation with the Dems.

 

[MikeyDB]

Colpy

I'm sitting in a little different kind of boat than Gopher and you know I've already stated that the authority in Israel has already determined the winner.... Your friend McCain will be the next president, I have very little doubt.

Too bad really. If there were a chance, a possibility a potential for peace in the Middle East and Iraq and Iran and all the other wonderful festering sores around the planet, McCain won't be the man to actualize that possibility. I quite agree however that neither Obama or Clinton are up to the tasks that face America and the world over the next twenty years either.

 

[talloola]

``his support for his racist preacher``


McLame said he was "honored" to have been endorsed by racist preachers Hagee and Parsley. In fact he called the latter his role model. This has been no big deal as far as the public is concerned.

Yeah, that is very puzzling to me, a huge fuss is made about the pastor, and it is very
obvious that obama is in no way similar to him, BUT the McCain preacher thing doesn't
seem to have any effect on people, why is one so alarming and the other so benign.
Actualy in my opinion, it should be the actual candidate who is given close scrutiny, as
they have no control over what a pastor or preacher says, and I'm sure there is many
many controversial statements made in many different churches.

 

[gopher]

Hey Colpy,


I already gave you the link which showed your hero McLame publicly confessed to having squealed in Nam, US New World Report, 1972. I also posted here previously, I enlisted during the war on Nam and offered my services for the war even though I opposed it. Of course, I ultimately failed the entry test because of a heart condition.

Did you offer your services at any point in your life? Or did you go the lame ass route??

 

[gopher]

Yeah, that is very puzzling to me, a huge fuss is made about the pastor, and it is very
obvious that obama is in no way similar to him, BUT the McCain preacher thing doesn't
seem to have any effect on people, why is one so alarming and the other so benign.
Actualy in my opinion, it should be the actual candidate who is given close scrutiny, as
they have no control over what a pastor or preacher says, and I'm sure there is many
many controversial statements made in many different churches.

It's just the usual right wing double standards. The controlled news media is owned by the heirs to the Goebbels propganda machinery and they spew all kinds of garbage in support of their heroes.

If McLame is such a hero and the good Christian he professes to be, he should condemn the racist hatred Hagee and Parsley have spewed. But he does not have the character to do so unlike Obama. Therefore, he is not fit to be president.

 

[talloola]

It's just the usual right wing double standards. The controlled news media is owned by the heirs to the Goebbels propganda machinery and they spew all kinds of garbage in support of their heroes.

If McLame is such a hero and the good Christian he professes to be, he should condemn the racist hatred Hagee and Parsley have spewed. But he does not have the character to do so unlike Obama. Therefore, he is not fit to be president.

That's right he's not, and for more reasons that that, he is too old, and he will continue
the war path of george bush, cheney and the rest of that trash.

 

[zoofer]

A speech Oh Bama should have made.

A Speech Sen. Obama Could Have Given
By Victor Davis Hanson
Thursday, March 27, 2008
Had Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., just said the following words last week in his speech on race in America, his problems with his former pastor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, would probably now be over:
“You have all heard the racist and anti-American outbursts of my pastor Rev. Wright. They are all inexcusable. His speeches have forced me to re-examine my long association with Trinity United Church of Christ. And so it is with regret that I must now leave that church.
“I had heard similar extremist language of Rev. Wright in the past, and now apologize that I did not earlier end my attendance and contributions. Had I long ago expressed my strong objections to Rev. Wright’s views, such opposition might have suggested to him a more moderate path.
“But any good that now might come by remaining steadfast to Rev. Wright in consideration of our long past friendship is outweighed by the damage that would accrue from the sanction of his extremism that my continued attendance at his church might convey.
“I have loyalty aplenty, but it is to the truth, my country and universal tolerance, not to any one friend, however long and close our association.
“Allegations that America helped to cause -- and thus deserved -- 9/11 and that the U.S. government engineered the AIDS epidemic, as well as the pastor’s slurs against ‘white people’ and Secretary of State Condeleezza Rice, are not reflective of the views of mainstream black America and they have no place in any house of Christian worship.
“It would be easy to claim that Rev. Wright’s biases are no different from those voiced on occasion by our own family members, our pastors or political leaders in the public eye and therefore not so injurious to America. That defense of false equivalence, that ‘others do it all the time,’ is a common one offered by those who offend the public sensibility.
“It would also be easy to excuse my pastor’s outbursts by citing the long tragic history of the African-American experience. After all, every extremist outburst always has a particular and perhaps mitigating context.
“And finally it would be easy to suggest that the special landscape of the black church allows a sort of venting and role-playing unlike other common venues in America. It has often been a refuge from white oppression and a place to make sense of the tragic history of race relations that plague us still. That and the good that Rev. Wright has done could also be an extenuating circumstance.
“But neither Pastor Wright nor I -- a candidate for the presidency of the United States -- can afford to find refuge in any of these relativist explanations. To do so would not merely exempt the statements of Rev. Wright from proper censure, but also would have the effect of offering endorsement to them. Here is why we must not and will not do that:
“First, today’s America has evolved into a multiracial society unlike anytime in our long history. Each of America’s groups has unique grievances, based on their own past ordeals.
“So now more than ever in American history, there is need to establish a universal, absolute standard of public discourse in which no individual or group claims extenuating circumstances to demonize other Americans. Otherwise, the bar will have been lowered -- and Rev. Wright will be followed by merchants of hate of every sort, each citing his allowance as a pass for his own hate speech.
“Second, we are in our fifth decade since the landmark civil-rights legislation of the 1960s. And while the African-American community has made enormous strides, it still has not achieved parity with either the white majority or some other minorities. The reasons are complex, but they cannot be simply reduced to white racism or the purported pathologies of the United States as Rev. Wright supposed. We African-Americans must be as vigilant in demanding an equality of opportunity for all Americans as in ensuring that crime, illegitimacy, drug use and the failure to finish high school are no higher in the African-American community than in others.
“Third, Americans were appalled, as was I, at my minister cursing the United States. But we must always appreciate the unique nature of America, an experiment that unites a multiplicity of religions, races and ethnicities, and endures only to the degree we all adhere to a common set of values. We must never think that because the United States has sometimes not been perfect, it is not good.
“The hard work of creating and improving the United States required centuries; the easier task of tearing apart America can be done in a generation. But neither you nor I can or will allow that to happen. Thank you, and God bless the United States.”

Victor Davis Hanson is a classicist and historian at the Hoover Institution, Stanford University, and author, most recently, of "A War Like No Other: How the Athenians and Spartans Fought the Peloponnesian War."
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[normbc9]

talloola,
You hit it right on the head. If the masses are fed crap that is all they know. Right now very few media groups here in the US are willing to take on the covert harrassment the White House can cause. How about IRS audits of the firm and the leadership? Then the constant monitoring by political hacks too? If they aren't cooperative they have a constant chain of events that are hard to put up with. There are a number of foreign based websites dedicated to keeping us here informed. The recent questions about if our Constitutional rights are under attack had better look at the Conservative element who claims to be the champions of that doucment. Right now the Patriot Act provisions scare the hell out of me. I see their game as one of "Inch by inch, anythings a cinch." All Americans better wake up soon!

 

[zoofer]

Hillary a monster?

Checkout McCain's possible VEEP>

Huba hubba.
Eat yer heart out Dancing Loon!

 

[jellyfarm]

No wait...you mean to tell me there really IS a difference between the Reps and the Demz? Well goholleee!
And as to the lie about Bosnia, that was one dumb move, if you ask me.

The weirdest thing that amazes me about politics are the people who surround them, the PR, media idiots that tell a political figure what to say and what not to say. All this spin doctoring is really past its prime. People are getting smarter and certainly more aware of when the wool is being pulled over their eyes and this new millenium shows me time and time again, how far behind politics has been in keeping up with the rest of the world's agenda.

A radical change is needed in the US as well as this steamroller politiking

 

[talloola]

A speech Oh Bama should have made.

The speech obama made was just fine, eloquent, written by him, and from the heart,
and it showed all of america what a class act he really is, and will continue to be.
They should be proud to know that any speech he will make as president of the u.s.,
will always be very well delivered and contain information that will make the people
feel at ease. A true diplomat, and a fair person, and when needed he will very tough.
He doesn't need to give a speech which comes from someone
elses brain/thoughts.

Those who want to drag on and on the rev. wright's thoughts and speeches, wil do it
irrespective of what obama says or does, as they will be doing it for their own gains and
their candidates gains, and nothing directly to do with obama.

 

[mrgrumpy]

Seems highly unlikely that there will be Clintons in the White House post-election.