Hell
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I've come to my own judgments about that, which as you say, I'm allowed to do, using what you would no doubt say are my god-given gifts of intelligence, reason, and logic, and the judgment I've come to is that there almost certainly is no god. The available evidence does not sustain the conclusion that there is. I'm one of the unredeemable atheists you hate, but I'd bet I have a better understanding of Christianity's central message than you do. Hate is unchristian, for instance; you condemn yourself by expressing it. Your arrogant judgmental certainty does you no credit as a Christian. Christianity's about inclusiveness, acceptance, forgiveness, charity, peace, love, stuff like that, and not just for people who agree with you. And those are good humanist values quite apart from Christianity, easily justifiable with a little knowledge, reason, and logic, not the bankrupt old arguments from authority you use.
I'm getting pretty tired of some of the sanctimonious, self-righteous, judgmental, unforgiving, uncharitable, self-identified Christians on this board. You're one of them, and I'd say that whatever else you are, you're not a good Christian.
All kidding aside, you deserve to feel ashamed.
I thought it would be more peaceful around here without having to look at the troglodyte's posts, but everyone seems to quote the poor, little fool. But, I can overcome that bit, too. I can put my eyes on ignore. 
There was a time not so long ago when I felt quite uneasy, as there was a few 'so called' christians on this board, suggesting that 'atheists', are evil. I just didn't feel good thinking that there were people on this earth thinking of 'me' as evil. I talked with Sanctus about this, and
he assured me that no true believer or good christian would ever consider 'me' or anyone like me,
evil, just because I am not a believer. And this fellow, westmanguy, thinks horrible things about many people, so, someday he will have to answer to someone on this matter, right here on this earth, as, what goes around comes around..
he assured me that no true believer or good christian would ever consider 'me' or anyone like me,
evil, just because I am not a believer. And this fellow, westmanguy, thinks horrible things about many people, so, someday he will have to answer to someone on this matter, right here on this earth, as, what goes around comes around..
I did that for awhile tonight, but I guess I'm just too nosy, and some answers don't makeI thought it would be more peaceful around here without having to look at the troglodyte's posts, but everyone seems to quote the poor, little fool. But, I can overcome that bit, too. I can put my eyes on ignore.
sense cause his posts aren't there, and they are answering him, but if it gets too cruel, I
will do it again.
I guess the thread-starter is just scared out of his senses by that concept of hell. So his posts in this thread serve just one end - to convince himself, first of all, that he is not going there, other people are. Just hiding from the terror of it, the poor fellow.
West is feeling Dickless and is trying to compensate with a strong stance. I agree with Beaver on this though, its a little cruel but hey if it helps humanity.
Again with the dick sizes? Didn't you go through this, or something like it, on your circumsion thread? Are you sure you're not a homosexual?
Where to begin, where to begin...??/ First off, this whole "end-time" nonsense you're quoting is NOT in the Bible. No such an event as the "rapture" is mentioned, not once. Everything in the Book of Revelations pretty well was dealing with the first century Church, so it's all done with now, stop worrying. The "beast", for example, referred to Rome and the Emperor Nero since St. John (the author) was not about to openly mention the Emperor in his text. (Emperor's don't take well to people writing nasty things about them you see)
As for hell and who is or who is not to be placed there, luckily that is not your call, nor mine. God and God alone is the final judge on the state of our souls. How about we leave it to Him?
Final bit of shock news for you, "accepting Jesus as your personal Lord and Saviour" is pentecostal tommyrot and is also not Biblical. Salvation is NOT assured just because you've decided to be a Christian. Saddly, God expects you to walk the walk and live the faith, not just yap about Jesus all the time and sending folks to hell hither and skither.
Please, do yourself a big favour and leave theology in the hands of those schooled in the Scriptures.
The essence of the faith is that God sees into all our hearts. I realize you do not believe in god, but bear me out here. Who is and who is not evil, or saved, depends on God. Based on our teachings, we know we are required to follow the faith through Christ. HOWEVER, what about those who either have never heard of Christ or do not believe in Him? Is it Scriptural to suggest they will burn in hell? Guess what, the answer is NO. Jesus Himself was quite clear that the presence of God would redeem those, through Him, that live good "christian" lives but are unaware of Christ. that God, in his mercy, judges us not only by what we believe, but by what we DO on the planet.
It is quite feasible that the mercy of God would redeem say, a good faithful Buddhist. that this redemptive power comes through Christ is clear. But does the Buddhist necessarily have to accept Christ? Not really. Christ has enough "moxy" to save any old body He wishes to-He's funny like that
No. He taught that the members of the Church should avoid contact with non-members for fear of having their faith weakened by non-believers. He was actually indicating that the community in Christ should be the spiritual home for the Christian since it is so easy to be influenced by evil.
HOWEVER, this is combined with the fact He teaches us to get INVOLVED with the community around us, atheist or not. A hungry man has no religion, just hunger and we must feed him.
???? OK, are you going to "accept Jesus" anytime soon??? No fear of death??? You are kidding, right? Here's a mindboggler for you West, I am with allot of people at their moment of death. (not my favourite thing to do mind you, but goes with the turf) Most of them are good, faithful Catholics/Christians. and you know what, just about all of them, even with strong faith in Christ and redemption, are afraid to die. Trust me on this one, for I know of what I speak.
You "hate" West? "HATE???" And how do you reconcile this with compassion and faith in Christ to see the goodness in people around you despite their personal choices?
What "kind" is he? Is he the kind to feel love, to feel pain, to be sad, lonely sometimes, afraid? Is he a man? Does he deserve to be considered less than you because he does not share your beliefs? Is his pain any less real than yours? Are his pleasures less pleasurable? In proclaiming your love of Christ(which I honestly doubt by the way), can you please be so kind as to share with me where in the Gospels where you find Christ talking about "kinds"?
Well said. However, one minor correction. The faith itself is exclusive, not inclusive, insofar as Sacraments and such are concerned. But if you mean it, which It just came to me you probably do, in terms of acceptance and compassion, yes you are correct. Ok ,shut up Sanctus;-)
Westy... looks like you were absent the day Hell was explained:
Hell Explained
*no disrespect intended to any believers in hell* ;-)
Hell Explained
*no disrespect intended to any believers in hell* ;-)