Harper will repeal current Income Tax Cuts

Citizen

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Breakthrough2006 said:
As usual you have posted things that were said more than a decade ago and before you mention that he can't change, Martin himself was AGAINST SSM only 4 years ago.

As I recall, Martin was personally against the issue. That's quite a bit difference than injecting his personal views into the political arena as Harper clearly intends.
 

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Liberals seem to like to think Harper's personal views are the views of the party. In Reality, these are just excuses for not knowing the actual issues, and actual views of the parties.
 

FiveParadox

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Perhaps, then, the Conservative Party should show Canadians their views, too, instead of only those of the Hon. Leader of the Opposition?
 

KanBob

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Well, call me a fool why don't you, but wasn't Paul Martin a member of the Chretien government? And Pettigrew, and Goodale, and on and on. Looks like most of the same old crew that were there in the "disgraceful period".

Nice to know that $100 million dollars can be stolen from taxpayers by the actions within the ruling party and nobody goes to jail and yet everyone is exonerated.

I wonder what crimes they are committing now.

The Liberal party stole Canadian taxpayer money.

Perhaps $100 million dollars.

For their friends.

From Taxpayers.

In Canada.

Where did the cash envelopes go?

Paul Martin refuses to say.

Are they still stealing money?

He's not saying.

Choose your Canada.
 

FiveParadox

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Even though I support the Grits, KanBob, props to you for the creative rebuttal. ;)

However, a candidate for the Tories could go to jail after he faces smuggling charges next month — yet the Tories say that they are going to continue to stand by their man. What ever happened to cleaning up the Government?
 

KanBob

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I hope Stephen Harper is the same person he was years ago, even though he admits he isn't.

I thought every one of his speeches was right on the money. Honest, truthful and fair. Almost like the way that new American-Liberal Ignatieff calls it.

And Mr Dingwall, "Entitled to his entitlements"

Sounds like a pretty big change to me. uh-huh.
 

KanBob

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I'm not gonna support that conservative candidate. He should have been more forthcoming and honest about his 'situation'.

However, he hasn't been convicted yet. But I'd say he shouldn't be running.

I'm not going to offer any support in that direction, but it hardly taints the goals of the Conservative party.

I support the platform.
 

Citizen

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KanBob, why are you surprised that Paul Martin won't talk about an ongoing RCMP investigation?

And by the way, there are holdovers from the Mulroney government and the Reform Party in this new Conservative Party, so what exactly is your point about holdovers from the Chretien government?
 

KanBob

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I'm not surprised that Paul Martin won't talk. Not at all.

I'm surprised that so many Canadians support the Liberals after the corruption of the sponsorship scandal. The party needs some time in the penalty box (opposition benches).

As any truly democratic country would do. But then I often forget we live in Zimbabwe North where democracy in practice is not what democracy really is.

But maybe not. Maybe it should be okay for a governing party to steal taxpayer money to keep themselves in power. Robert Mugabe does it.

I do applaud Quebecers though for recognizing the shame and the stink of the Liberal party. I've had my condescending attitude towards Quebecers before, but not anymore. I have an immense respect for them and their courage to shun the Liberals because of their subterfuge. Would that other Canadians had that moral rectitude as well.

But I don't think that's one of those Liberal values that have been instilled in Canadians, so really, what am I thinking? And what should I expect?
 

FiveParadox

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Are you asserting then, KanBob, that anyone who would choose to support the Liberal Party of Canada is inherent immoral?

I assure you, I have deeply considered the alternatives — but my personal circumstances direct me toward the Liberal Party of Canada, notwithstanding whatever governance-related transparency issues they may have had.
 

Citizen

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Paul Martin isn't talking because the matter is under police investigation. If it were Harper or anybody else, it would be the same.

The astounding thing about all the Liberal slamming on this board is it all concerns the Liberal Party when Chretien was top dog.

Will somebody please post something, anything, about Paul Martin's government (i.e. post-Chretien) that would indicate to Canadians that his government should not be trusted?
 

FiveParadox

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Agreed; I was, and continue to be, very critical of some of the actions and programs initiated under the leadership of the Rt. Hon. Jean Chrétien; however, he is no longer the Prime Minister, and no longer a Member of Parliament.

However, we must maintain that the Liberal Party of Canada has undergone extremely significant changes since the Rt. Hon. Paul Martin became Prime Minister of Canada.
 

Citizen

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If Chretien were running in this election he would unlikely get my vote, given the history of the Liberal Party under his leadership.

It is unfortunate that Paul Martin has had barely a chance to govern this country, having spent almost his entire time in office continually defending his MPs because opposition parties are angry at the Chretien government.
 

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Five, it has occurred to me that it might not be so bad to see a minority Conservative government at this juncture.

I'm thinking that if the Conservatives had to wait a few more years, they would be that much stronger.

Food for thought.
 

FiveParadox

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As soon as they rid themselves of the Hon. Stephen Harper, I would readily vote in favour of them. And as soon as they get off the same-sex marriage legislation repeal kick.
 

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The old reform party now called the Conservative Party will never get my vote.

Missile defence, the environment, willing to send out soldiers to certain death - they have too many ideas not agreeable with my own.
 

FiveParadox

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Hopefully one day the Conservative Party will elect to become more centrist, more in line with mainstream Canadian values. Because right now, they terrify me.