Harper - Secrecy & Hypocrisy

[elevennevele]

RE: Harper - Secrecy & Hy

All I remember was Harper whining whining whining when it came to accountability. You gotta love those catch phases like "culture of entitlement" when you are talking about the other guy.

So many Harper apologists. The writing is on the wall. He is hypocritically doing what he whined and whined and whined and campaigned against. Moreover, he takes "lack of transparency" to a new extreme!

You said it was all about cleaning up political garbage but now you support this type of political garbage. All of you Harper apologists are hypocrites.

http://lfpress.ca/newsstand/Opinion/Editorials/2006/03/29/pf-1510185.html

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20060418.wxchairs18/BNStory/National/home

http://www.thehilltimes.ca/html/index.php?display=story&full_path=/2006/april/17/gallery/&c=1

http://www.ottawasun.com/News/National/2006/04/15/1535119-sun.html

 

[elevennevele]

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Oil at $71.35 a barrel today, Harper in a news conferance today said he thought the Iran talk had no bearing on that price, every analyst I heard today said that concern about Iran was directly responsible for that price. Now Harper was either lying or he's to stupid to be in power. Which reason do you prefer?

Hey, but now that he's PM, his word IS the WORD. So whatever he says, we all have to fall in line like a United States Conservative and put our brains at the doorstep.

Gotta love what the pseudo conservatives did to that country.

 

[Socrates the Greek]

RE: Harper - Secrecy & Hy

Eleven Eleven that sums it up. Harper thinks he is the most popular PM Canada has every had or seen, the man is suffering from a condition called, as long as I think I am before the rest of the Country than I must be before the Country and I tell the country to do as I say and not as I do. Election Day will be here soon, I did not vote for Harper triviality, the man is a clown with out his make up on; he looks like the clown that got fired from MacDonald’s fast food because he had a phoney smile on. He just looks so bad on the measurements for charisma.

 

[Toro]

RE: Harper - Secrecy & Hy

I think that its pretty safe to say that, so far, Stephen Harper has been the greatest Prime Minister Canada has ever seen!

 

[FiveParadox]

When has has done nothing more than accept crossing members, make appointments to the Senate, restrict the right of the media to ask the Government whatever questions they wish, and adopt an "our-way-or-the-highway" attitude?

It didn't make Mr. Martin a great Prime Minister, and it won't work for Harper.

 

[mabudon]

RE: Harper - Secrecy & Hy

I found it pretty funny over the weekend when the mainstream media was (or is that were??) trumpeting some survey/poll, saying that 53% of Canadians polled (and every time the blurb came up it sorta flopped between "all Canadians" and "of Canadians that didn't vote Conservative" which is odd cos that little switch made it sound like a different "fact" every time) thought Harper was actually doing a GOOD JOB... I just found it odd, as I pay pretty close attention to a lot of news and dislike Harper as I do, I can't really figure out exactly WHAT he's done that anybody could be too impressed with... (not a slam, I just really don't know what the hell these statistical people are talking about exactly)

and people all gripe about the lack of transparency- you should hold your tongues, cos Harper has mad the government of Canada TOTALLY transparent... when ya try to look at it, you just see a sort of shimmery mirage-like outline where the government is supposed to be...
I'd say a totally secret, invisible government is about as "transparent" as you can get (and who knows, maybe he will claim that by transparent he in fact DID mean invisible)

And that was sarcasm BTW

 

[Socrates the Greek]

RE: Harper - Secrecy & Hy

Good morning Paradox Patience is a virtue, the next election is around the corner, as soon as the bickering starts in the House of Commons Liberal approval in the house will not come cheap. The Liberals soon will have a leader while the Cons are looking for ways and are wishing to get a majority next time around.

Here is some food for thought. Just today the Cons announced that they will offer a formal apology to all the Chinese Canadians who had been wrongfully charged the infamous head tax. The catch her is Paradox that, (money talks and garbage walk), and I am sure you know what I mean. The manipulation is clear here from the Cons, the formal apology is to set the Asian Canadian voter thinking Neo Con, and the hope Harper is looking at, is that the financial compensation to the Chinese Immigrant Canadians of the early 19th century will be a vote for the full term. To day he is saying to open with just an apology, and to seal the deal during election he will put out the cash. His 5 election promises did not include the Chinese Immigrant and today he is making the announcement for simple political gain. He is dangling the carrot on the stick to prepare vote enhancement. Is Harper sincere?

 

[Socrates the Greek]

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When has has done nothing more than accept crossing members, make appointments to the Senate, restrict the right of the media to ask the Government whatever questions they wish, and adopt an "our-way-or-the-highway" attitude?

It didn't make Mr. Martin a great Prime Minister, and it won't work for Harper.

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Good morning Paradox Patience is a virtue, the next election is around the corner, as soon as the bickering starts in the House of Commons Liberal approval in the house will not come cheap. The Liberals soon will have a leader while the Cons are looking for ways and are wishing to get a majority next time around.

Here is some food for thought. Just today the Cons announced that they will offer a formal apology to all the Chinese Canadians who had been wrongfully charged the infamous head tax. The catch her is Paradox that, (money talks and garbage walk), and I am sure you know what I mean. The manipulation is clear here from the Cons, the formal apology is to set the Asian Canadian voter thinking Neo Con, and the hope Harper is looking at, is that the financial compensation to the Chinese Immigrant Canadians of the early 19th century will be a vote for the full term. To day he is saying to open with just an apology, and to seal the deal during election he will put out the cash. His 5 election promises did not include the Chinese Immigrant and today he is making the announcement for simple political gain. He is dangling the carrot on the stick to prepare vote enhancement. Is Harper sincere?

 

[Socrates the Greek]

Re: RE: Harper - Secrecy & Hypocrisy

When has has done nothing more than accept crossing members, make appointments to the Senate, restrict the right of the media to ask the Government whatever questions they wish, and adopt an "our-way-or-the-highway" attitude?

It didn't make Mr. Martin a great Prime Minister, and it won't work for Harper.

Good morning Paradox Patience is a virtue, the next election is around the corner, as soon as the bickering starts in the House of Commons Liberal approval in the house will not come cheap. The Liberals soon will have a leader while the Cons are looking for ways and are wishing to get a majority next time around.

Here is some food for thought. Just today the Cons announced that they will offer a formal apology to all the Chinese Canadians who had been wrongfully charged the infamous head tax. The catch her is Paradox that, (money talks and garbage walk), and I am sure you know what I mean. The manipulation is clear here from the Cons, the formal apology is to set the Asian Canadian voter thinking Neo Con, and the hope Harper is looking at, is that the financial compensation to the Chinese Immigrant Canadians of the early 19th century will be a vote for the full term. To day he is saying to open with just an apology, and to seal the deal during election he will put out the cash. His 5 election promises did not include the Chinese Immigrant and today he is making the announcement for simple political gain. He is dangling the carrot on the stick to prepare vote enhancement. Is Harper sincere?

 

[Jay]

Re: RE: Harper - Secrecy & Hy

I can't really figure out exactly WHAT he's done that anybody could be too impressed with... (not a slam, I just really don't know what the hell these statistical people are talking about exactly)

I think that trip to Afghanistan was a big deal to a lot of Canadians, especially older ones. It shows leadership.

 

[Socrates the Greek]

Re: RE: Harper - Secrecy & Hypocrisy

When has has done nothing more than accept crossing members, make appointments to the Senate, restrict the right of the media to ask the Government whatever questions they wish, and adopt an "our-way-or-the-highway" attitude?

It didn't make Mr. Martin a great Prime Minister, and it won't work for Harper.

Good Day to you Paradox our Liberal pal!!

 

[mabudon]

RE: Harper - Secrecy & Hy

I think that trip to Afghanistan was a big deal to a lot of Canadians, especially older ones. It shows leadership.

Okay, I guess that explains a lot, being a younger, tech/news savvy Canadian, I KNEW it was just a "mission accomplished moment", like them stupid "boots on the ground" posters WE payed for during the recent summit to make us look like tough guys...

Harpers trip to Afghanistan, to me, only showed that he has learned a LOT about how to give people meaningless platitudes (or empty gestures) to crow about, while doing all the REAL work in the backroom, which is why I am almost even more unsettled by the concept that a blatantly obvious photo-op means more to most folks than the very REAL, undemocratic campaign of secrecy Harper has undertaken (and I'm not attacking YOU here at ALL Jay, just saying that if that is the case, it may be worse than I thought)

I really hope our home-grown minimonkey digs a DEEP grave for himself with all this muzzling BS

 

[Socrates the Greek]

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SPARE ME!

At least stick to reality.

There will be NO deficits under Harper. NONE!;...

so you've found that $29.1B in promises the fiscal plan doesn't account for?

cool!!!

tell me all about it. I'm all ears.

Bit Whys your are Pythagoras friend, Pythagoras was one of my Greek assenters he was apparently a great Mathematician. Pythagoras would ask students like Harper to listen more than want to govern when in fact his math was all wrong. Especially when Harper has a degree in economics, which makes me wander with Colpy’s remark that the “Government is swimming in money” and there for there will be no deficits. Thanks to the Liberals for the surplus in the Government coffers, next think you know Harper will be telling the voter we brought Canada to it’s present prosperous financial state. Ha Ha Ha.

 

[MMMike]

Despite any fiscal plan, and any campaign promises, the Conservatives will not run a deficit. Neither would any other party - it would be political suicide, and that trumps any ideological argument.

by the way, make sure you get your picks in for the playoff pool in the Sports section!

 

[BitWhys]

oh get serious. The Cons pencilled in $22.5B as "moderating spending" in version 2 of their fiscal plan after the Liberals spotted the cash flow problem. They're STILL off by $6.6B (rounding down, btw) if they keep their promises.

That pencil mark proves they have NO CLUE what they're doing and they're going to micro-manage us into a hole squeezing 2% from places unknown. ego trips don't come cheap, don'tcha know.

 

[LittleRunningGag]

Re: RE: Harper - Secrecy & Hypocrisy

When has has done nothing more than accept crossing members, make appointments to the Senate, restrict the right of the media to ask the Government whatever questions they wish, and adopt an "our-way-or-the-highway" attitude?

It didn't make Mr. Martin a great Prime Minister, and it won't work for Harper.

Ba-zing!

:lol:

I"m all for waiting to see what Mr. Harper is going to do. I just keep seeing the same problems that plagued the last government.

 

[Socrates the Greek]

Re: RE: Harper - Secrecy & Hy

The right to scrutiny is a right that belongs to the citizen. The media is the massager for the citizen, and any Government who especially on a minority position tells the media never mind reporting to the citizen, we will talk to the citizen our self’s, well let me tell you my great Canadian Conservative pal, Democracy has been compromised and election day will be the settlement day for the Gestapo style bozos who think that they will fool the voter to squander their vote on the empty campaign promise of open Government.

When, exactly, did Harper order the media to stop reporting?

Is not Question Period televised?

FIVE, if this were the United States, where there is no opposition opportunity to hold the gov't's feet to the fire a' la Question Period, I would agree that limiting access to members was a questionable assault on the public's right to know. Here, however, questioning the gov't is not primarily a role of media, but of the Opposition, and that is widely televised.

Harper is simply trying to keep his government on message. No news has been censored, freedom of speech is not threatened.

Hi, BTW

The following is not for you Five, as you are one of the few Liberals willing to "wait and see" when it comes to Harper.

The others seem to behave like a cross between a toddler whose ice cream has just been snatched, and a paranoid conspiracy theorist.

Excuse my obsession, but I get a huge kick out of Liberal supporters claiming Harper is undemocratic.

Remember the Liberal attempts to insert news CENSORS into the CBC after the APEC fiasco? Funny, I don't remember strong protests from Liberals against a REAL threat to freedom of the press.

Jean Chretien......and the Liberal Party of Canada......now there's a threat to democracy.

Hey Colpy, it is unfair to clacify the rest of the Libs that don’t agree to Harpers deceitful manipulation, your analogy of the toddler having his ice-cream snatched is a self-serving assessment trivialising the anger that commonages from the vote snatching Harper subjected the Vancouver Kingsway voter. To be self-serving many times it is easier than being fair. Fair means one has to share something with some one, to be self serving one would try to take something from some one and tell them not to wine like little kids. The well being of all is the foundation of a strong democracy.