Harper says he'll protect traditional marriage

[DasFX]

Re: RE: Harper says he'll protect traditional marriage

Both sides in this debate have good points. Marriage has been traditionally been between a man and a woman, this cannot be denied. Those who say same sex marriage is damaging to society's view of family are correct is a scientific way. Same sex marriages and being homosexual for that matter is not normal for human beings or any animal as it is not conducive to it’s fecundity. I mean, biologically animals pair bond for the sole purpose of reproduction, something that cannot happen with homosexuality.

However, I do not believe homosexuals should be mistreated and be denied the same rights of heterosexual. I don't see how homosexuality will damage society in a psychological way; you cannot become gay. Allowing SSM will not change heterosexual marriage. As with any social change, it will take time. Just as interracial marriages took awhile to be accepted.

 

[Reverend Blair]

Governmental programs that kill people? Perhaps you are referring to legalized abortion which kills millions each year.

Actually I was talking about anti-poverty programs (or lack thereof) and the privatisation and corporatisation of government programs, here and abroad. We could toss in our restrictions on refugees and the habit our government has of deporting people to countries where they risk execution.

If you want to talk about women's rights, I guess we could start a thread on that though. There are others here who are far more aware of those issues than I am because they happen to be women.

If you doubt social degradation why don't you visit Vancouver and see what the freely embraced use of marijuana has lead to for a growing number of people who are now addicted to heroin.

The gateway drug theory has been debunked time and again. Not everybody who smokes pot moves on to harder drugs, not everybody who tries harder drugs gets addicted. By this theory of yours the following statement is also true: Mother's milk leads to heroin addiction.

No one is trying to prevent homosexuals from reaching their ideals, if their ideal is to participate in the act of marriage then they should do so with a member of the opposite sex

So you want homosexuals to enter into heterosexual relationships?

as marriage is an exclusive union between two individuals of opposite sexes.

Since Newfoundland and Labrador signed up for sanity yesterday your statement is untrue in 7 provinces and 1 territory. You might want to consider moving to Alberta...Ralph has no scruples about using the notwithstanding clause to take away people's rights.

If their ideal is the be coupled with a member of the same sex then they may do so.

You bet they may. In 7 provinces and 1 territory (so far) they can make it official too.

If I had a male roomate for a few years I would most certainly not wish for the government to claim us to be common-law.

People have had roomies of the oppositie sex for a long time now. They are not forced to claim to be commonlaw spouses. How would having a same-sex roomie be different? It wouldn't.

 

[Paranoid Dot Calm]

Nevermind Gay Marrige ....

What about Single Marrige?
Yuh know ... The "Me, Myself, My Shadow and I" marrige.

What are we gonna do when ordinary Canadians just want to marry themselves and not to a mate?

Calm

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Harper says he'll pro

Would that require to wear rings on both hands, Calm? ;-)

 

[Rick van Opbergen]

Within Western society, marriage has been traditionally one of a man and a woman. There are cultures where this has not been the case though. Among the Nuer in Sudan for example, two women are allowed to marry, where one woman acts like the man (only in ceremonial sense though, not in real life) when a father only gets daughters and no sons (sons are more important than daughters). There are also other cultures where same sex marriage have always been an accepted form.

For some years now, same sex marriage is legal in the Netherlands, and so far it has not caused any huge problems within society. There are people who disagree with it, yes. We can not force people to agree - they are entitled to what they think. I personally do believe in same sex marriage, as I don't see how it poses a threat to the institution of marriage. The definition of marriage is changing all the time; not so long ago, marriage meant children. Now, there are many married couple who don't have children, and that is fully accepted. Marriage is a definition beyond religion.

 

[Gabre34]

Stephen Harper is at it again. I'm happy most Canadians have open minds and have the vision of a free and open society without the same visions as Stephen Harper and the rest of his oil-tycoon-powered party.

By luck, the cons grabbed 93 or so seats (?) in the last election and with even more luck, Canadians will vote against them on a larger scale in the next election, which most of us have predicted might happen soon... Maybe even February.

Why would somebody want to take away the rights that people are receiving? Same-sex marriage affects nobody from the conservative party, so why are they so hell bent on imposing their obsolete so-called "Christian views" on the majority of Canadians? Screw the cons!

Give me a break. The last thing I want to see is me in a Cafe drinking my Capuchinno, and seeing 2 men kissing each other.

I agree with the conservatives. Traditional marriage should be kept, but that's never going to happen. Unfortunetly.

Call me whatever you want, a conservative, blah blah. That's the way I think.

Why change something that worked for centuries? Marriage is and should be with a --Man-- and a --Woman--. I agree we should have an open-mind but not to that extent.

 

[Reverend Blair]

Why change something that worked for centuries?

You're right...we should all move back into the caves and become hunter-gatherers again. That was the norm for millenia, after all.

How does same-sex marriage affect you at all, Gabre?

 

[Rick van Opbergen]

Gabre, funny is that when we look at marriage on a global scale, it is not that obviously logical that marriage is defined as a union between a man and a woman.

 

[Gabre34]

You're right...we should all move back into the caves and become hunter-gatherers again. That was the norm for millenia, after all.

See, the difference is that we didn't knew better at that time.

 

[Gabre34]

Re: RE: Harper says he'll protect traditional marriage

Gabre, funny is that when we look at marriage on a global scale, it is not that obviously logical that marriage is defined as a union between a man and a woman.

I do not disagree. But "here" it has been logical and why shouldn't it be?

 

[Rick van Opbergen]

My point is that same-same marriage didn't prove to have a negative effect on these societies. Now you will probably say "well that are other societies". In my country, the Netherlands, same-sex marriage has been legal for some years now, and I have not noticed any breakdown of familylife.

 

[Reverend Blair]

See, the difference is that we didn't knew better at that time.

We know better than to discriminate against people based on sexual orientation now. I fail to see the difference at all.

 

[missile]

Nevermind Gay Marrige ....

What about Single Marrige?
Yuh know ... The "Me, Myself, My Shadow and I" marrige.

What are we gonna do when ordinary Canadians just want to marry themselves and not to a mate?

Calm

I prefer to live commom law with myself :lol:

 

[passpatoo]

Re: RE: Harper says he'll protect traditional marriage

[quote="Gabre34
I do not disagree. But "here" it has been logical and why shouldn't it be?[/quote]

Because it infringes on the rights of a number of Canadians.

 

[no1important]

Who really cares anyways. It has been legal in most provinces for some time and Canada has not gone to "Hell" like the Christian Right and "W" from America would have you believe.

If two people want to get married, let them go for it. Reguardless of sexual orientation.

Hetrosexual marriage is nothing to be proud of, what 55%+ now end in divorce so those so "called christians" and the "right" should keep their mouths shut.

I am happily married to a female and have two kids, My wife also says people should worry about their own marriages and not put their nose into other peoples business. So there!

 

[Pycrete]

What i find interesting is that the church has abused it power... a power given to it by the people of Canada to carry out the legal functions of marriage. This is basically the only legal power we give our churches and yet they are not accountable for how they use it. If I as a member of the government hire straight people preferentially, i can be held to account for my actions. I can be sued/loose my job etc. for discrimination. However the church can discriminate all it wants. I believe that if two people come into a church and ask to be married then the church is obligated to marry them regardless of sex, race or creed.

 

[Pycrete]

What i find interesting is that the church has abused it power... a power given to it by the people of Canada to carry out the legal functions of marriage. This is basically the only legal power we give our churches and yet they are not accountable for how they use it. If I as a member of the government hire straight people preferentially, i can be held to account for my actions. I can be sued/loose my job etc. for discrimination. However the church can discriminate all it wants. I believe that if two people come into a church and ask to be married then the church is obligated to marry them regardless of sex, race or creed.

 

[Pycrete]

What i find interesting is that the church has abused it power... a power given to it by the people of Canada to carry out the legal functions of marriage. This is basically the only legal power we give our churches and yet they are not accountable for how they use it. If I as a member of the government hire straight people preferentially, i can be held to account for my actions. I can be sued/loose my job etc. for discrimination. However the church can discriminate all it wants. I believe that if two people come into a church and ask to be married then the church is obligated to marry them regardless of sex, race or creed.

 

[gerryh]

What i find interesting is that the church has abused it power... a power given to it by the people of Canada to carry out the legal functions of marriage. This is basically the only legal power we give our churches and yet they are not accountable for how they use it. If I as a member of the government hire straight people preferentially, i can be held to account for my actions. I can be sued/loose my job etc. for discrimination. However the church can discriminate all it wants. I believe that if two people come into a church and ask to be married then the church is obligated to marry them regardless of sex, race or creed.

What a pile of shit!

 

[gerryh]

What i find interesting is that the church has abused it power... a power given to it by the people of Canada to carry out the legal functions of marriage. This is basically the only legal power we give our churches and yet they are not accountable for how they use it. If I as a member of the government hire straight people preferentially, i can be held to account for my actions. I can be sued/loose my job etc. for discrimination. However the church can discriminate all it wants. I believe that if two people come into a church and ask to be married then the church is obligated to marry them regardless of sex, race or creed.

What a pile of shit!