Harper calls off summit

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Now you're interpretting my own views of Harper, in which you are woefully inaccurate. I did answer the question, look at post # 7, which follows your post with the question. I support Harper's view of our role in Afghanistan, I do not support his environmental startegy.

I by no means am hypocritical in my statements regarding Harper, though I do find his accountability and this ducking of criticism to be hypocritical.
And my point, which no one seems to grasp is, if this wer... oh forget it, just read what I posted to Zan or Juan.
 

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Why do you keep bringing up anti-American sentiment in this thread? You keep stearing this thread away from the real issue here.
 

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If it was a snub at the US, it wouldn't even rank a blip on your radar, or if it did, it would fuel you to add, "Good, who are these American's to tell us how to run our country!" Right?

wrong.

I care about specific issues... in this thread, it's the issue of global warming. If it was the States holding us accountable, I'd still feel the same way.
 

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wrong.

I care about specific issues... in this thread, it's the issue of global warming. If it was the States holding us accountable, I'd still feel the same way.
No this threads title is "Harper calls off summit "

Then everybody jumps on the "how dare he" band wagon.

I not stearing this thread away from the issue, I'm bang on target here. It is not about global warming it is about Harper snubbing a Summit on a topic that no longer has any relivance to this country, thank allah!

I am merely pointing out the hypocracy that you all will keep skirting around.

Harpers snub is bad because it is a cause that you support, if it wasn't you pet project, and it was directed at the US, you would all be behind him 100%. Screaming from the hill tops, "Take that you lousy Americans, stay out of our politics, we're a sovereign nation, we can make our own decissions!"

But here, now, the EU is upset and chastises a leader you obviously dislike, so lets get on board the bash Harper bus.

Your all hypocrits.
 

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You know Juan, I was beginning to appreciate your views, but you are damaging my perception of you by not answering the question directly. I fear that it is because my assumption is correct. The only time that this would be an issue is when it involves an issue that does not involve the anti American sentiment. If it were the US and not the EU, with their feathers ruffled here. You would not post a peep.

I started this topic and nowhere did I even mention the U.S. You have repeatedly tried to drag this thread off on a hypothetical tangent. I have simply tried to stay on topic. To answer what I think is your question, I can only say that if Harper committed to a meeting with the U.S. government, I hope to hell he would keep his word and show up. If he doesn't keep his word, he gives us all a black eye.
 

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I started this topic and nowhere did I even mention the U.S. You have repeatedly tried to drag this thread off on a hypothetical tangent. I have simply tried to stay on topic. To answer what I think is your question, I can only say that if Harper committed to a meeting with the U.S. government, I hope to hell he would keep his word and show up. If he doesn't keep his word, he gives us all a black eye.
Sure you would.
 

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Precisely! How I feel on this matter is not the issue. How much more plainly can this be put, these actions, are not the actions of a good leader. He is making excuses to avoid a politically uncomfortable situation. That is the plain and simple fact. If the majority of Canadians supported his environmental plan, this wouldn't be an issue.
 

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Precisely! How I feel on this matter is not the issue. How much more plainly can this be put, these actions, are not the actions of a good leader. He is making excuses to avoid a politically uncomfortable situation. That is the plain and simple fact. If the majority of Canadians supported his environmental plan, this wouldn't be an issue.
Prove the majority of Canadians supported this flawed piece of toilet paper please.
We are not in the accord anymore, so why go? We as a sovereign Nation do not have to explain ourselves to any other Nation reguarding domestic policy, barring anything that would be against international law.

We do not have to answer their questions or their dissapproval.
 

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The flawed piece of toilet paper being the new clean air act? The made in Canada plan?
 

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The flawed piece of toilet paper being the new clean air act? The made in Canada plan?
Prove that the majority of Canadians want the protocol. I have already proved the accord was flawed in another thread.

I have never endorsed the Clean Air act.
 

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If you want poll numbers I can give them to you.

Heres the results of a September poll by McAllister Opinion Research.
McAllister's poll suggests that the great majority of Canadians don't agree with that stance. It found that 77 per cent believe Canada should meet or exceed its Kyoto targets for cutting emissions.
More than 90 per cent of Canadians said climate change will be a serious problem if not addressed, and 75 per cent believe that a "good amount" or a "great deal" can be done to fight the problem.
 

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This is a remarkable increase from July 2005 where polls showed that only 7% of the interviewed respondants named global warming as the top environmental issue.

The number of research papers confirming the anthropogenic causes of global warming is mounting, and regualar citizens are beginning finally to trust the results of scientists, rather than the absolute language of politics.
 

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This is a remarkable increase from July 2005 where polls showed that only 7% of the interviewed respondants named global warming as the top environmental issue.

The number of research papers confirming the anthropogenic causes of global warming is mounting, and regualar citizens are beginning finally to trust the results of scientists, rather than the absolute language of politics.
Neither one of those polls, asked or answered, do you believe we should remain in the accord?
 

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Of course the Kyoto accord was flawed, it was signed almost ten years ago. Todays view of the environment has evolved much since then. It was however a starting point, which is better than nothing.
 

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I never stated it was not an issue. It is a huge issue, it needs to be addressed seriously by the individual Nation, not have it thrust upon them by outside forces. It ceryainly does not give the right to any other country to address our involvement with or with out it.
 

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I have stated before that I am at odds with Harper's plan, I recognize that there are inherant flaws in Kyoto, but I do acknowledge that we should be striving to make those commitments, and go further. The technology we have today can make it happen, and without crippling our economy.
 

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Of course the Kyoto accord was flawed, it was signed almost ten years ago. Todays view of the environment has evolved much since then. It was however a starting point, which is better than nothing.
I keep hearing that it was better then nothing, but to cripple economies and send countless business's to third world nations to rape and pilidge the environment cartblanch for a profit, is more then flawed, it's criminal.

Stop stripping forests in South America, that would be the biggest and best effort you could do. It has already been proven that the clear cutting of the rain forest is one of the significant contributers. But oh wait, they're a developing nation, they're exempt.
 

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It will not cripple economies. Is Europes economy in recession? Show me how working towards those commitments has harmed them?