Guergis speaks out...

TenPenny

Hall of Fame Member
Jun 9, 2004
17,467
139
63
Location, Location
What I find interesting is that many of the same people who think that any conservative cabinet minister is the spawn of the devil are now running around insisting that we have to believe her every word and her tears.

Sorry, but she has a track record of how she treats her assistants, her fellow cabinet ministers, airport security workers, and what she thinks of PEI. She long ago lost any chance of being given the benefit of the doubt.
 

petros

The Central Scrutinizer
Nov 21, 2008
120,146
14,846
113
Low Earth Orbit
I had to chuckle when I heard Helena speak of their drug-free lives going as far as regaling Mansbridge with her experiences with pot waaayyy back at the tender age of 14 years..... This of course, was followed-up with having little recollection of Gilani (although she does recall having to wait an hour in the bar for him, his bimbo and another couple to arrive).
She passed the lie detector test to become an MP. CSIS would have definitely and throughly grilled her on drug use and criminal connections. As I posted before if she surrenders just a single hair we'd know the truth on the coke angle.
 

Slim Chance

Electoral Member
Nov 26, 2009
475
13
18
She passed the lie detector test to become an MP. CSIS would have definitely and throughly grilled her on drug use and criminal connections. As I posted before if she surrenders just a single hair we'd know the truth on the coke angle.

Don't misunderstand my position... As far as I am concerned, Guergis should not be on the hot-seat for drugs as there is no evidence (or suggestion that I've heard) that she was/is consuming drugs. Jaffer, on the other hand, is a different matter... In terms of the suggestion that she was present in an environment where drugs were (allegedly) present, as an MP/Cabinate minister, she ought to understand that she can't be associated with that activity publically.

My other point is that her memory appears razor-sharp when it comes to providing support for her 'innocence', but is conspicuously lacking when it comes to elements that may shine a negative light on her.
 

petros

The Central Scrutinizer
Nov 21, 2008
120,146
14,846
113
Low Earth Orbit
Don't misunderstand my position... As far as I am concerned, Guergis should not be on the hot-seat for drugs as there is no evidence (or suggestion that I've heard) that she was/is consuming drugs. Jaffer, on the other hand, is a different matter... In terms of the suggestion that she was present in an environment where drugs were (allegedly) present, as an MP/Cabinate minister, she ought to understand that she can't be associated with that activity publically.

My other point is that her memory appears razor-sharp when it comes to providing support for her 'innocence', but is conspicuously lacking when it comes to elements that may shine a negative light on her.
It's impossible to be in a drug free environment no matter who you are but drugs use or no use can be determined easily especially with hair her length and one could even esimate the dates of useage. She can easily clear herself a s a user.

As for her song and dance, she's well rehersed.
 

Slim Chance

Electoral Member
Nov 26, 2009
475
13
18
It's impossible to be in a drug free environment no matter who you are but drugs use or no use can be determined easily especially with hair her length and one could even esimate the dates of useage. She can easily clear herself a s a user.

As for her song and dance, she's well rehersed.

Fair enough, but there is a big difference between being around these substances indirectly (handling money can generate a positive result) and attending events that offer direct exposure via proximity.

BTW - I agree fully about the hair-sample test... Unlikely that she or Jaffer would agree at this late point in the scenario, but no doubt, it would close that speculation immediately.
 

CDNBear

Custom Troll
Sep 24, 2006
43,839
207
63
Ontario
Fair enough, but there is a big difference between being around these substances indirectly (handling money can generate a positive result) and attending events that offer direct exposure via proximity.
As a politician, you'd think running from the room post haste would be prudent. especially if your party's platform is settled nicely on a law and order stance...;-)
 

Slim Chance

Electoral Member
Nov 26, 2009
475
13
18
You'd think so, but then again, considering that Helena has a memory problem it's likely that forgot that advice
 

petros

The Central Scrutinizer
Nov 21, 2008
120,146
14,846
113
Low Earth Orbit
Fair enough, but there is a big difference between being around these substances indirectly (handling money can generate a positive result) and attending events that offer direct exposure via proximity.
The old handling money thing is Miami myth BTW and I've never heard of a second hand snort.

Even if she were cleared of all allegations she will never recover from this which was Harper's intentions all along. All he needed to was insinuate drug abuse to end her career.
 

Machjo

Hall of Fame Member
Oct 19, 2004
17,878
61
48
Ottawa, ON
As a politician, you'd think running from the room post haste would be prudent. especially if your party's platform is settled nicely on a law and order stance...;-)

Agreed. Still innocent until proven guilty though. I'll give a funny example that had happened to me once in China. I was walking down the street one sunny day and all of a sudden the rain came poring down. Naturally the crowd ran for the nearest cover. As it turned out, I along with other men, women and children found myself in the lobby of what appeared very much to me to be a brothel!

Now, that city is known in summer for its sudden, heavy yet short-lived torrents, so we all decided to wait it out a few minutes and sure enough, it was the end of that and we all went on our merry ways. I'd never confirmed that it was a brothel, yet I'm still thoroughly convinced it was (not the kind of place I'd normally walk into to find out what it was; whether or not it was a brothel, it was clearly a sleazy place of some kind at least).

Now, would it be reasonable for someone to accuse me of *****-mongering because of that incident?

Even if a politician should be found near drugs, prostitutes, etc., he still has a right to defend himself and explain how he got near those drugs, or whether he was aware of the presence of drugs or prostitutes in the room, etc.

Is it not conceivable that a person could find himself in the presence of drugs or prostitutes without being aware of the fact? And if that's the case, is he still guilty?
 

Machjo

Hall of Fame Member
Oct 19, 2004
17,878
61
48
Ottawa, ON
The old handling money thing is Miami myth BTW and I've never heard of a second hand snort.

Even if she were cleared of all allegations she will never recover from this which was Harper's intentions all along. All he needed to was insinuate drug abuse to end her career.

I doubt his intention was to hurt her. I could see two possibilities:

He simply intended to protect his own hide, or he just plain wasn't thinking when he opened his yap as usual.
 

petros

The Central Scrutinizer
Nov 21, 2008
120,146
14,846
113
Low Earth Orbit
Is it not conceivable that a person could find himself in the presence of drugs or prostitutes without being aware of the fact?
Location, location, location. When we cleaned up our block of w.hores and their crack dealing pimps some of the neighbours had no idea nor put two and two together that the girl and her crack dealing pimp weren't waiting for the bus.
 

petros

The Central Scrutinizer
Nov 21, 2008
120,146
14,846
113
Low Earth Orbit
I doubt his intention was to hurt her. I could see two possibilities:

He simply intended to protect his own hide, or he just plain wasn't thinking when he opened his yap as usual.
Drug and scandals are rule of thumb for party leaders to clear out those who don't toe the line.

It's more US type politics moving north.
 

CDNBear

Custom Troll
Sep 24, 2006
43,839
207
63
Ontario
Agreed. Still innocent until proven guilty though.
Why is it you and Avro think I have said she's guilty of a crime?

Al I've done is state my opinion of her behavior in an interview, and commented on her comments. Her party has firmly established its law and order stance. It's a matter of public record, that she has been, as well as her husband, in the company of unsavoury people, full stop.

My opinion on that is...

As a politician, you'd think running from the room post haste would be prudent. especially if your party's platform is settled nicely on a law and order stance...;-)

As to the allegations of a criminal nature levied against her, I have no opinion, guilty or innocent. I have not even remotely touched on that at any time in this thread.
 

CDNBear

Custom Troll
Sep 24, 2006
43,839
207
63
Ontario
Location, location, location. When we cleaned up our block of w.hores and their crack dealing pimps some of the neighbours had no idea nor put two and two together that the girl and her crack dealing pimp weren't waiting for the bus.
Seriously?
 

Slim Chance

Electoral Member
Nov 26, 2009
475
13
18
The old handling money thing is Miami myth BTW and I've never heard of a second hand snort.

Even if she were cleared of all allegations she will never recover from this which was Harper's intentions all along. All he needed to was insinuate drug abuse to end her career.

Neither Jaffer or Guergis will recover from this episode, in my opinion, there are too many coincidences and enough indirect evidence that will bury them... Gillani provided testimony that contradicts Jaffer and that info implicated Guergis.

As far a teh miami myth is concerned; that could bethe case, I am not intimately familiar with drug testing to comment with any authority.
 

petros

The Central Scrutinizer
Nov 21, 2008
120,146
14,846
113
Low Earth Orbit
Neither Jaffer or Guergis will recover from this episode, in my opinion, there are too many coincidences and enough indirect evidence that will bury them... Gillani provided testimony that contradicts Jaffer and that info implicated Guergis.

As far a teh miami myth is concerned; that could bethe case, I am not intimately familiar with drug testing to comment with any authority.
Innocent or guilty as soon as people hear drugs a political career is over.