Grits, Bloc and NDP Fight for Child Care?

[Said1]

Re: RE: Grits, Bloc and NDP Fight for Child Care?

The Liberal Child Care Plan is a joke, for a number of reasons.

I've actually raised kids, on a very slim budget. This plan would not have helped, as my wife stayed home for the very early coupe of years, and then our oldest had an extremely negative reaction to child care. (he sat in the corner and screamed for an entire week)

So, in 1984, I was working 60 hours a week for $7.65 per hour, my wife was collecting a little pokey, and subsidized child care wouldn't have helped a bit.

Our best friends did likewise. He worked as a school custodian, she stayed home (she is, BTW, a rabid NDP supporter.....we don't discuss politics) This lovely bit of social engineering would not have helped not a bit.

My sister and brother-in-law likewise........she stayed home, he worked as a labourer for the city. In fact, when my wife did go back to work, my sister-in-law watched our kids. What the left so loosely calls "child care" wouldn't have helped.

My son is a bartender. His wife is home now, but she works at whatever she can. He last job was all evenings. Child care spaces? No help.

In fact, I don't know ANY of the working poor that used day care. Here's why:

1. They all though Mom and Dad should raise little kids.....instead of turning them over to Big Brother for "Early Childhood Development" (read INDOCTRINATION)

2. It is not easy transporting children, especially when you are working poor and don't own a vehicle. Easier to have a friend or relative come in.

3. Working poor do NOT work 9 to 5...........affluent professionals work 9 to 5. Child care is useless for those that work odd hours.


So, as studies in Quebec have shown, government subsidized child care is very disproportionately used by affluent urban professionals.....the very people that need it least and can afford it most.

This is an idiot lefty attempt at ivory tower social engineering.

Essentually, it is a welfare program for the well-to-do.

Gee, just what we need.

I really don't know how things work in NB, but subsidies apply to homecare also, not just daycare. Regular daycares also have subsidized spots.....in Ontario anyway. I have a full subsidy for my daughter in a homecare spot. I think there is a lot of confusion about childcare subsidies.

In your case though, it may not have helped much, but I don't know how things worked back in '84 either, I only know how things work now in Ontario since I had a homecare business for 8 yrs and my daughter is in private care right now too.

 

[#juan]

MMMike wrote:

Legislate an increase in minimum wage... if we've agreed that even the poor people deserve a certain standard of living minimum wage should be set at a level to provide that standard of living if working a full time job. Also give them direct subsidies like Harper's plan, only more, and only to those that need it.

Forcing corporations to double their operating costs? Wendy's and Wal-Mart, and all the others would be lining up in the supreme court to sue the government who brought in that legislation. It might be easier to just throw them out of the country. The whole problem with minimum wage, is that it soon becomes maximum wage, particularly in the service industry. A few years ago a local politician was wanting to call Wendy's to task for laying off workers as soon as the had been working long enough to qualify for benefits, health insurance,etc.. The story just disappeared. That politician is still around but he doesn't talk about this any more. My son worked at Wendy's while he was going to university and that is indeed what they do.

I don't want to be Mao. I can't stand those quilted pajama suits he wore. :wink: :lol:

PS - If you ever want to put someone down, tell him he hasn't yet met Richard. When he says,"what are you taking about"? You tell him he doesn't know Dick.

 

[MMMike]

They couldn't sue the government for increasing the minimum wage, Juan. That is perfectly within the governments jurisdiction. They might not like it but they couldn't sue. And what's going to happen... McDonalds is going to pack up and go home?

 

[Finder]

Well I think generally the Liberal plan sounds good if everyone worked the same hours in this nation and the conservative one is more usful to those who do not work normal hours but is too little to be meaningful. So either way most of us workering class smucks are screwed either way. *shrugs*

 

[FiveParadox]

Grits' Plan Has Merit

While the Conservative Party of Canada plan would be more widespread, in that even those who have no need for childcare would receive the funds, one could deem the same to be quite wasteful — we should be concentrating those funds on those who require them to ensure that those who need the child care spaces can secure them.

I would propose that we should, pehaps, adopt a variation on the plan proposed by the Liberal Party of Canada — id est, we should create spaces and fund them out of the budget of the Government of Canada, and perhaps increase the hours of operation into a range that would accomodate every situation? We could ensure that there are valid spaces available late at night, early in the morning, whenever they may be required.

However, in my opinion, the Conservative Party of Canada plan is useless without an overhaul.

 

[darkbeaver]

They couldn't sue the government for increasing the minimum wage, Juan. That is perfectly within the governments jurisdiction. They might not like it but they couldn't sue. And what's going to happen... McDonalds is going to pack up and go home?

You better check your copy of NAFTA righty and you,ll find a long list of things corporations can sue all levels of Canadian governments for. :lol:

 

[Sassylassie]

Harper is an idiot, his child care plan makes no sense even to other party members. Why break what was working, nothing in government is perfect (except me). DarkBeaver is correct if a member of Nafta feels that new laws are counter productive to their ability to do business in this country they can file a complaint and if they win there goes more of our tax dollars paying off the complaintant.

 

[darkbeaver]

RE: Grits, Bloc and NDP F

Thank -you sassy I owe you one, can you wait till the end of the month?