Governments 9/11 story Crazy

[Toro]

Have you ever seen a large building being wired for demolition? I remember one in Detroit in 1984 that was less than half the size of the WTC that took several dozen people in very conspicuous crews working from dusk to dawn, taking three weeks to wire the building before it fell.

Yet, we're supposed to believe "mysterious" floor-evacuations, dog-sniffing bombs, power-downs, etc., as a ruthlessly efficient operation - one that is so efficient that not a single person of the thousands and thousands of people who would have had to have been involved to pull off 9/11 has ever come forward to verify this conspiracy - that nobody in either person or tape can verify the work of any demolitions experts, and instead we must believe bizarre speculation and cheap innuendo to support our strange theories?

Power down

http://www.911myths.com/html/wtc_power_down.html

Bomb-sniffing dogs

http://www.911myths.com/html/wtc_bomb_sniffing_dogs.html

And for good measure, accounts of explosives

http://www.911myths.com/html/accounts_of_explosions.html

 

[flipside]

First of all, in all due respect, you'd have to be a right moron to think that governments "always" lie. Sometimes governments lie. But then again, sometimes all institutions lie. Sometimes people lie. But all people don't always lie. All institutions do not always lie. And all governments don't always lie. As someone who has worked for the government, I can assure you this is the case.

Second, even if you assume the premise that the government is lying, the default position isn't that there is some bizarre, whack-job conspiracy. Of course, government isn't going to tell you the entire truth, and of course parts of the government are going to obscure their responsibility for 9/11. Since it was the biggest foreign attack on US soil in the countries 231 year history, do you honestly believe that someone in government isn't going to try to cover his ass? You'd have to live in a dream world to believe this.

ok I should never have used the word always that was a huge mistake.
maybe often, sometimes, rarely ... whatever.. my mistake I actually trust the local government in my area and several of them admit theres something fishy with the "official" story, I also somewhat trust Harper although he has told fibbs.. anyway..

 

[flipside]

Have you ever seen a large building being wired for demolition? I remember one in Detroit in 1984 that was less than half the size of the WTC that took several dozen people in very conspicuous crews working from dusk to dawn, taking three weeks to wire the building before it fell.

Yet, we're supposed to believe "mysterious" floor-evacuations, dog-sniffing bombs, power-downs, etc., as a ruthlessly efficient operation - one that is so efficient that not a single person of the thousands and thousands of people who would have had to have been involved to pull off 9/11 has ever come forward to verify this conspiracy - that nobody in either person or tape can verify the work of any demolitions experts, and instead we must believe bizarre speculation and cheap innuendo to support our strange theories?

Power down

http://www.911myths.com/html/wtc_power_down.html

Bomb-sniffing dogs

http://www.911myths.com/html/wtc_bomb_sniffing_dogs.html

And for good measure, accounts of explosives

http://www.911myths.com/html/accounts_of_explosions.html

Thanks for the links.. just so you know I am reading them and only want to find out the real truth.

So only a few dozen men in only three weeks thats strange i would have figured any demolition would take months possible a year or so and I would figure at least 50 men for 9/11. What real differnce does it make how long it would have taken to set up? and do you think anyone would notice a hundred more workers in the towers? I figure all kinds of workers, delivery guys, janitors, electricians, security etc etc would be in and out of the building all day..

I'll check out your links ..

 

[Toro]

That's all I ask.

 

[I think not]

I figure all kinds of workers, delivery guys, janitors, electricians, security etc etc would be in and out of the building all day..

Carrying explosives?

 

[eh1eh]

"As the Towers Fall", the continuing daily drama, sponsered by fear and paranoia. Closed captioning brought to you by irrational thought processes.

 

[Logic 7]

Have you ever seen a large building being wired for demolition? I remember one in Detroit in 1984 that was less than half the size of the WTC that took several dozen people in very conspicuous crews working from dusk to dawn, taking three weeks to wire the building before it fell.

Yet, we're supposed to believe "mysterious" floor-evacuations, dog-sniffing bombs, power-downs, etc., as a ruthlessly efficient operation - one that is so efficient that not a single person of the thousands and thousands of people who would have had to have been involved to pull off 9/11 has ever come forward to verify this conspiracy - that nobody in either person or tape can verify the work of any demolitions experts, and instead we must believe bizarre speculation and cheap innuendo to support our strange theories?

Power down

http://www.911myths.com/html/wtc_power_down.html

Bomb-sniffing dogs

http://www.911myths.com/html/wtc_bomb_sniffing_dogs.html

And for good measure, accounts of explosives

http://www.911myths.com/html/accounts_of_explosions.html

Your link doesnt talk about the fact that george w bush brother in law was in charge of the world trade center security from 1996-2002.Means they have plenty of time to plan and doing it.


Tell me toro, why your links, doesnt tell who they are?? be honest.


And their take on WTC 7 is completly stupid, their take "pull it" means bringing down a building with cable, yeah ok, but it is still a term use to demolish a building.


For the pentagone, why they dont talk about the 82 camera that no one in the world could see, because the fbi confiscated them, why us governement doesnt released them, SO CONSPIRACY THEORIST WOULD STOP ARGUING THERE WAS A PLANE OR NOT, why don't they do it?

Now you understand why i laugh at those who believe the us officials story withouth trying to understand it.

 

[thomaska]

I don't suppose Ayman Al Zawahiri and Osama Bin Laden actually taking credit for the 9/11 attacks fits into your theory anywhere, does it Logic?

 

[Logic 7]

I don't suppose Ayman Al Zawahiri and Osama Bin Laden actually taking credit for the 9/11 attacks fits into your theory anywhere, does it Logic?

Well on 16 and 28th of september 2001, bin laden denied any involvment, then on november us officials came with a new video, where oussama took 50 pounds, where he suppositly took credit for the attack, is that what you consider an evidence that alqueada is behind the attack?

 

[thomaska]

Well on 16 and 28th of september 2001, bin laden denied any involvment, then on november us officials came with a new video, where oussama took 50 pounds, where he suppositly took credit for the attack, is that what you consider an evidence that alqueada is behind the attack?

Umm..yeah. Videos produced by As Sahab, of Bin Laden admitting they were responsible for the 9/11 attack are pretty convincing. But I know you won't let little things like that sway you from your pursuit of the truth.

Are you saying we shouldn't trust your precious haji hero Bin Laden? Are you saying he might be lying?

 

[Logic 7]

Umm..yeah. Videos produced by As Sahab, of Bin Laden admitting they were responsible for the 9/11 attack are pretty convincing. But I know you won't let little things like that sway you from your pursuit of the truth.

Are you saying we shouldn't trust your precious haji hero Bin Laden? Are you saying he might be lying?

Tell me, why would he have said twice that he wasnt responsible days after 9-11, then suddently weird video appears,BROUGHT BY US OFFICIALS, which supposed to show bin laden, but he looks different than any other video he is in, says apperently that he is responble, what does that tell you?


This is not an evidence, why don't you think FBI doesnt name oussama as prime suspect for 9-11?


http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/terrorists/terbinladen.htm



This is what he is wanted for

Usama Bin Laden is wanted in connection with the August 7, 1998, bombings of the United States Embassies in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, and Nairobi, Kenya. These attacks killed over 200 people. In addition, Bin Laden is a suspect in other terrorist attacks throughout the world.

 

[thomaska]

Tell me, why would he have said twice that he wasnt responsible days after 9-11, then suddently weird video appears,BROUGHT BY US OFFICIALS, which supposed to show bin laden, but he looks different than any other video he is in, says apperently that he is responble, what does that tell you?


This is not an evidence, why don't you think FBI doesnt name oussama as prime suspect for 9-11?


http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/terrorists/terbinladen.htm



This is what he is wanted for

In a person unaffected by BDS, 1998 comes before 2001. Hence, Bin Laden being wanted for crimes committed in 1998.

In the real world, it is sort of a given.


Or I suppose we could all just subscribe to your theory that it is Karl Rove dressed up as Bin Laden in the video where he claims credit for the 9/11 attacks.

 

[Toro]

Your link doesnt talk about the fact that george w bush brother in law was in charge of the world trade center security from 1996-2002.Means they have plenty of time to plan and doing it.

Well, like most conspiracists, Logic, you didn't do a whole lotta research. It was right there on the site.

http://www.911myths.com/html/stratesec.html

Tell me toro, why your links, doesnt tell who they are?? be honest.

AHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Its all a big conspiracy.

How do we know you're not part of al-Qaeda, trying to persuade Westerners that the risks they face are not real? Come on, Logic, be honest!

For the pentagone, why they dont talk about the 82 camera that no one in the world could see, because the fbi confiscated them, why us governement doesnt released them, SO CONSPIRACY THEORIST WOULD STOP ARGUING THERE WAS A PLANE OR NOT, why don't they do it?

Everything you wanted to know about the Pentagon conspiracy theories.

http://www.911myths.com/html/pentagon.html

More on thermite

http://www.debunking911.com/thermite.htm

 

[eh1eh]

Oh ya, on topic here, I see Bush is sending more storms. Is the first one going to reach you Toro?

 

[Toro]

Oh ya, on topic here, I see Bush is sending more storms. Is the first one going to reach you Toro?

Yes, I'm scared.

Now that Jeb isn't governor anymore, I'm sure the wrath will be terrifying.

To be honest, we need guys/gals like Logic around. He/she reminds me of the dozens of people just like him/her who used to inhabit this place a few years back.

 

[flipside]

yeah .. I've been researchin the debunker sites and i think they need to ask some of the questions we are.

Very little real debunking going on..

Some simple ones right here..

1) Why was very little evidence used in the investigation of 9/11?

2) Why can't the injured, the victims families, the rescue workers, and the people have a proper and thorough investigation to ease minds and answer some very important question?

3) Where is the jet engine which was found on Murray Street?

4) Forget the piles of pentagon security tapes what about the Citgo gas station across the street which had a clear view?

.. I think we are all getting tired of the debunkers, lets get to answers.

 

[flipside]

Seems we are bickering alot about small details and trying to come up with answers..

The governm,ent could settle this.. Find that dam jet engine that landed on Murray Street, you know the one from a 737, and they may as well pull out the landing gear they found as well. And if they could be so kind as to release all the tapes of firefighters and police, not just the cherry picked clips. And it might be a good idea to release all the security footage not only from the pentagon, and citgo but from buildings around WTC that had their tapes seized. Maybe they could be so kind as to clear up why the black box from the pentagon indicates the plane was too high to hit those light posts and wasn't really on that course. Maybe they could let us into the warehouse where they are trying to piece the wreckages together like they do for all plane crashes. You know the place where they take all the evidence every single little piece and figure out everything that happen. They might also want to explain to the folks at the marina near Shaksville what they saw. Maybe a little explanation about the body parts not found at the crash but the ones that were blown away by the wind. May as well pull out the engine they found near the pond as well so we can all take a look at it.

Its a dam good thing most people now want a real investigation to settle all this BS..

I'm actually surprised they have not released the security cam tapes by now, cause they should have at least been able to make some fake ones??

BTW I was a welder for years cuttin up transport trucks and I wouldn't waste my time making nice diagonal cuts when you'd just need to hack the crap apart. The cuts do look similar to cutting torches but that means nothing? And yes thermite can cut verticle beams, especially hollow beams with access panels to get inside of the beams.. one access hole in a beam and you've got access to several floors...EASY AS CUTTING PIE THEY SAY..

 

[eh1eh]

Gee. It says Flipside, but you're giving us the sameside.:smile:

 

[flipside]

Gee. It says Flipside, but you're giving us the sameside.:smile:

:lol: I should have gone with my first choice FlipFlop. :lol:

although I haven't FlipFlopped for awhile...

 

[folcar]

When you believe the official story you are buying the magic bullet theory, or some other official hogwash. Governments don't like the truth it tends to undermine there credibility, 9/11's story has holes in it, will they be awnsered? Well we still have the magic bullet fire by a single gunman, which travelled in 2 completely different directions striking JFK from two sides and 2 very different angles.