Government pays 90 thousand a day for money saiving ideas?

Kreskin

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Doesn't this stuff drive you crazy. Just like the BC government paid John Furlong and his committee $310k to tell us people drank too much during the Stanley Cup riot.
 

petros

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If you aren't smart enought to figure out how to save money, hire someone who is. It makes perfect sense for any Government.
 

JLM

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Government hires $90,000-a-day 'cuts' consultant firm - CTV News

Take a listen to this and ask couldn't they have found someone cheaper?

They could have hired me for a quarter of that amount to tell them to cut all politicians salary in half, reduce the # of M.L.A.s to about 43, special warrant required for ANY travel over 10 miles, no meal allowance for any travel not involving an overnight stay (they can pack a lunch bucket) and fire Ferry magnet David Hahn.
 

jjaycee98

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Government hires $90,000-a-day 'cuts' consultant firm - CTV News

Take a listen to this and ask couldn't they have found someone cheaper?

The Bid was put out to 20 Firms of similar status and ability. Unless someone can prove something illegal was done in the selection of Delloitte then I will accept that they are getting the best at a fair dollar value.

No "department" is going to volunteer for cuts. This will be a fair and unbiased revue according to Accounting Principles. It will not be driven by Politics and propaganda.
 

relic

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Did y' hear this part,the head of the departments that save money will get bonus,BONUS !! for taking advice.The harper bunch seems to be good at benefiting from not doing their jobs at our expense.
Guess where their head office is,give up ? New fn York city !! Couldn't even waste money in Canada !
 
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Dexter Sinister

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The real problem is that the government doesn't trust its public service and bypasses it whenever it can. It's also always popular to bash the public service, and right wing governments do it freely and stupidly. Across the board cuts of 5% have been mandated, for instance, in staffing and budgets, and they think they can do much of it by attrition. I spent some years in the federal public service (as few as I could) and was required as a manager to do some cutting myself in the mid 1990s. What these guys don't understand is that you can't just reduce all departments and agencies by 5%, that cripples all operations, what you have to do is just stop providing certain programs and services entirely and leave the others intact and properly staffed and funded.
 

mentalfloss

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I can't wait to see the final report recommending we shut down a couple of zoos.
 

JLM

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The real problem is that the government doesn't trust its public service and bypasses it whenever it can. It's also always popular to bash the public service, and right wing governments do it freely and stupidly. Across the board cuts of 5% have been mandated, for instance, in staffing and budgets, and they think they can do much of it by attrition. I spent some years in the federal public service (as few as I could) and was required as a manager to do some cutting myself in the mid 1990s. What these guys don't understand is that you can't just reduce all departments and agencies by 5%, that cripples all operations, what you have to do is just stop providing certain programs and services entirely and leave the others intact and properly staffed and funded.

We've seen a lot of that stuff here in B.C. in the highway engineering and construction department, especially in the past 25 years. In the old days when the load got too much for the highways employees, smaller projects would get farmed out to consultants, but starting in the '80s the consultant were starting to get more and more capital projects. A lot of them had a degree from some university in engineering but had no or very little hands on practical experience and as a result after they were done and before construction their work had to be checked by a highways technician. Not only that but generally the consultants were paid more than we were. The real piss off came in the '90s when a $billion project on Vancouver Island was put in the hands of a consultant management team and the highways employees doing the work on the project was taking instructions and being supervised by these clowns.

I can't wait to see the final report recommending we shut down a couple of zoos.

I have a better idea, expand the zoos and put some of these clowns in there.
 

Bar Sinister

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Did y' hear this part,the head of the departments that save money will get bonus,BONUS !! for taking advice.The harper bunch seems to be good at benefiting from not doing their jobs at our expense.
Guess where their head office is,give up ? New fn York city !! Couldn't even waste money in Canada !

The same thing was done in Alberta during the so called Klein Revolution, but bonuses were not handed out internally but instead were given to "efficiency experts" from the private sector. The government then spent the next ten years trying to undo the damage it had caused in the first five years of its reign of terror. In many sectors of government service the damage has still not been repaired.
 

Dexter Sinister

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Yeah, that seems to be the way it is. The public service is full of subject matter experts, people who understand what they're doing and how to do it, and their political masters are by definition dilettantes who don't know those things, and too damn many of them are lawyers. I suspect that's because the law is one of the few professions you can leave for years at a time and not get too far out of date. And when the latter people don't take the former people seriously and try to control the details of what's going on, they phuck it up royally. The public service is not without its problems, but they're the problems common to any large bureaucracy, you'll find the same crap going on in both private and public sector organizations. I've been in both, and there's no real difference. The need to respect the bottom line imposes a certain discipline on the private sector, just as the political process imposes a certain discipline on the public sector, so the details of the crap differ somewhat, but functionally, it's not much different. Same percentage of good and bad people, over achievers and under achievers, competence and incompetence, fools and geniuses...

But right now, things are very bad in the federal public sector. I know a lot of people who work there, including my wife. Morale and productivity are at all time lows after a generation of pretty much continuous restraint and cutbacks under both Liberal and Conservative administrations. The sole qualification for a high level job in Ottawa seems to be bilingualism, so there's a whole lot of people in senior management in Ottawa who are hopelessly incompetent but speak French and English perfectly. In my time in the federal public service, every time I thought the directives from Ottawa couldn't possibly get any more stupid, they did. And many senior people in Ottawa just don't believe anyone outside of Ottawa could possibly know anything useful. I'd be asked for input on some policy issue, and if it wasn't what they wanted to hear, it was piss off with your input. I quit when all my budget and authority to make decisions were pulled back to central control in Ottawa but I was left with the same responsibilities. Responsibility without authority to do anything is impossible, you're paralyzed, and the perfectly bilingual bozos in Ottawa just couldn't understand that.
 
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JLM

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Dexter Sinister; But right now said:
And the sad reality is things are going to start getting worse, much worse very soon. The standard and comforts of living have been unprecedented and us guys born after 1940 have actually had it very soft. So much so that people expect government to do everything for them, including even looking after our own health. That is all just delusional thinking. First of all "the government" is our family friends and neighbours..............why put a burden on their backs? In the old days we used to pack a sandwich to work, now when you look around all the fast food joints are full at lunch time. Take a look in the STUDENT'S parking area at your local high school. Compare the number of electronic stores today to what there were in the 1940s. The times they are a changing and you can either be happy adapting or you can be miserable and make everyone else miserable. (I have to admit, the changes aren't necessarily going to be easy for me either, but I'll survive and still be in a fairly good mood)