Government kills independent science body
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...And, I guess that we can chalk this up to the Feds announcement of cutting back on useless gvt waste.
It's not goal post moving flossy. Why do you like redundancies?
Flossy doesn't see that. All he sees is another useless agency with 'science and environment" in it's name being axed and gets his **** in a knot.
I guess not since you haven't proven it is wasteful.
Unless you enjoy saving pennies on independent bodies that do non-partisan research about the economy and the environment.
I don't need to prove it's wasteful, the Feds did that due diligence for me.
... And like my old grand-pappy used to say; 'a penny saved is a penny earned'
But it must be valuable, afterall it has the word 'science' and 'environment' in their mandate... It MUST be valuable
Except when we ignore $5 Billion in costs per year that were identified by this roundtable because of unsustainable development?
Why save $5 Billion bucks when we can save pennies?
You have to believe in AGW in order for this roundtable opinion to count for anything.
Doesn't sound too scientific to me, maybe if they changed their name to the National Roundtable of Eco-maniacal Lunatics, they might get funding from greenpeace or suzuki.
Your debate was a bust from the get-go with this hog wash that it was ever an 'independent' body. As for the remainder of your 'debate', you've proven nothing. Referring to the mission statement and the 'opinions' of the roundtable, well, in order for that to have any force, everyone must share that same opinion.
.. And you should go back to work, your employer isn't paying you to haunt forums all day.
And now National Post is on to this (finally).
John Baird happily admits Tories didn’t like axed watchdog’s advice
Instead of dodging the criticisms that many of their proposed budget cuts are ideological in nature, Foreign Minister John Baird came right out and admitted the Conservatives will be glad to see one federally-funded environmental advocacy group off the taxpayer’s payroll.
Interim Liberal leader Bob Rae attacked the budget during question period Monday, listing off a number of cuts, including scrapping funding for the arms-length National Round Table on the Environment and the Economy (NRTEE).
Baird’s immediate response to the question was to say the government didn’t agree with the advice they were receiving from the NRTEE, which was created by the Brian Mulroney government in 1988.
“[Rae] talks about the National Round Table on the Environment and the Economy. They have tabled more than 10 accords encouraging a carbon tax, now we know why the Liberal party holds that organization so dearly because they truly want to bring in a carbon tax on every family in the county,” Baird said. “Those of us on this side of the House won’t let them do it.”
The Liberal leader immediately jumped on Baird’s words as proof of the Tories playing partisan politics in the budget.
“It’s clear what he is saying, the government is closing institutions down and shutting down the voices with whom they don’t agree with. They don’t like independence. They don’t like criticisms and that is why they are shutting them down,” Rae responded in French.
The round table, which was intended to bring together leaders in academia, the environmental movement and business to provide non-partisan research, has been given one year to close up shop. Scrapping the agency will save the government about $5.5-million a year.
The NRTEE has strongly warned about the economic risks of not addressing climate change.
Initially, the Conservative governed suggested the invention of the Internet doomed the organization.
“However, the reality is that the round table was created a quarter of a century ago. It was created before the Internet, when there were few such sources of domestic, independent research and analysis on sustainable development. That is simply no longer the case. There are now any number of organizations and university based services that provide those services.” Environment Minister Peter Kent said in the House of Commons in late March.
An NRTEE press release sent out Monday during question period announced a new report will be released Wednesday to Kent that “identifies the need for Life Cycle Approaches in assessing the economic and environmental sustainability of Canadian products and policies. “
John Baird happily admits Tories didn’t like axed watchdog’s advice | News | National Post
John Baird happily admits Tories didn’t like axed watchdog’s advice
Instead of dodging the criticisms that many of their proposed budget cuts are ideological in nature, Foreign Minister John Baird came right out and admitted the Conservatives will be glad to see one federally-funded environmental advocacy group off the taxpayer’s payroll.
Interim Liberal leader Bob Rae attacked the budget during question period Monday, listing off a number of cuts, including scrapping funding for the arms-length National Round Table on the Environment and the Economy (NRTEE).
Baird’s immediate response to the question was to say the government didn’t agree with the advice they were receiving from the NRTEE, which was created by the Brian Mulroney government in 1988.
“[Rae] talks about the National Round Table on the Environment and the Economy. They have tabled more than 10 accords encouraging a carbon tax, now we know why the Liberal party holds that organization so dearly because they truly want to bring in a carbon tax on every family in the county,” Baird said. “Those of us on this side of the House won’t let them do it.”
The Liberal leader immediately jumped on Baird’s words as proof of the Tories playing partisan politics in the budget.
“It’s clear what he is saying, the government is closing institutions down and shutting down the voices with whom they don’t agree with. They don’t like independence. They don’t like criticisms and that is why they are shutting them down,” Rae responded in French.
The round table, which was intended to bring together leaders in academia, the environmental movement and business to provide non-partisan research, has been given one year to close up shop. Scrapping the agency will save the government about $5.5-million a year.
The NRTEE has strongly warned about the economic risks of not addressing climate change.
Initially, the Conservative governed suggested the invention of the Internet doomed the organization.
“However, the reality is that the round table was created a quarter of a century ago. It was created before the Internet, when there were few such sources of domestic, independent research and analysis on sustainable development. That is simply no longer the case. There are now any number of organizations and university based services that provide those services.” Environment Minister Peter Kent said in the House of Commons in late March.
An NRTEE press release sent out Monday during question period announced a new report will be released Wednesday to Kent that “identifies the need for Life Cycle Approaches in assessing the economic and environmental sustainability of Canadian products and policies. “
John Baird happily admits Tories didn’t like axed watchdog’s advice | News | National Post
When I get sh*tty advice from a lawyer or accountant, I axe them as well... This is no different
Was their advice sound? Let's look at the $5B you say we'll save. Where did that number come from? Here?
Based on NRT original economic modelling, the report finds that the economic impact on Canada could reach:
- 2020: $5 billion per year
- 2050: Between $21 and $43 billion per year
In the 2050s:
- Timber supply impacts could range from $2 billion to $17 billion per year with high impacts in B.C.
- Flooding damages to coastal dwellings, resulting from climate change-induced sea-level rise and storm surges, could cost between $1 billion to $8 billion per year with higher than average cost impacts in Atlantic Canada
- Poorer air quality resulting from higher temperatures will lead to more hospital visits, resulting in millions of dollars in costs to local health care systems for four of Canada’s major cities – Toronto, Montréal, Vancouver and Calgary