Government kills independent science body

petros

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Yeah you showed us the 19th century coker site and the pipeline in the us that enbridge bought from conoco two years ago.

Tie those into cdn oil production in 2012
 

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Just to refresh my memory, can you back that up with a little evidence please.

There is a thread about the contaminated sites, and the Enbridge cleanup is somewhere in this thread, or the now merged, completely unbiased and non-partisan uber Mulcair thread that you endorse.

Both figures are recent, and affect existing costs, petros.
 

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Harper government funded study arguing Canada suffers from ‘Dutch Disease’

OTTAWA, Ont. — The Harper government has funded research that argues Canada’s economy suffers from so-called Dutch Disease, an economic theory the prime minister and other senior officials ridiculed when raised recently by NDP Leader Tom Mulcair.

Industry Canada paid $25,000 to three academics to produce the lengthy study, which is about to be published in a prestigious journal, Resource and Energy Economics.

The department also helped the trio build a database so they could investigate Dutch Disease, the theory that a resource boom that drives up the value of a country’s currency can damage the manufacturing sector.

The paper, “Does the Canadian Economy Suffer from Dutch Disease?” concludes that a third or more of job losses in Canada’s manufacturing sector can be attributed to resource-driven currency appreciation.


“We show that between 33% and 39% of the manufacturing employment loss that was due to exchange rate developments between 2002 and 2007 is related to the Dutch Disease phenomenon,” says the study.


The research, more than 18 months in the making, was carried out in part by Serge Coulombe, an economics professor at the University of Ottawa, who says Industry Canada was highly supportive of his work.

“At the time, they were interested in knowing about the issue,” he said Friday in an interview, noting the final paper was subject to a “very deep external refereeing process.”

“This paper has been presented at Industry Canada … and they have helped us assemble the database.”

The contract to produce the Dutch Disease paper ran from 2008 to 2009, and allowed the three authors to publish the work rather than have it remain internal to Industry Canada, which Coulombe said would have raised questions about its neutrality.

A spokeswoman for Industry Minister Christian Paradis said the study does not reflect the views of the Harper government.

“Unlike Mr. Mulcair, our government believes resource development is an important component of the economy and creates hundreds of thousands of direct, indirect and induced jobs, as well as contributing heavily to equalization payments,” Margaux Stastny said in an email.

“Mr. Mulcair’s politics of division, pitting one region of the country against others, and his ill-informed remarks show that his foolish economic policy will raise prices and cost Canadian jobs.”

Coulombe is well-known at Industry Canada, where he was paid as a senior research adviser to the department’s chief economist between 2005 and 2008. He has also been given more than 20 research contracts on economic issues by federal departments, including the Finance Department, the Bank of Canada, Statistics Canada and Human Resources and Skills Development.

The Harper government has vilified Mulcair for suggesting the Alberta oil sands have given Canada a case of Dutch Disease. Cabinet ministers have accused the NDP leader of pitting region against region and insulting hard-working workers in the resource sector.

The issue was repeatedly raised Friday in the House of Commons, where Tory House leader Peter Van Loan and MP Kellie Leitch, parliamentary secretary to the minister of human resources, both took jabs.

"Let us talk about issues of disparaging people,” Leitch said in response to a question about employment insurance.

“The leader of the Opposition wants to call Canadian employers a disease.”

Mulcair has said oil sands development is being carried out without properly accounting for the cost of its environment impact. His comments have triggered the ire of Western premiers, including Alberta Premier Alison Redford.

Alberta’s NDP leader, Brian Mason, said Friday that Mulcair will travel to Edmonton at the end of the month for meetings with political and business leaders.

There is no consensus among economists about whether Canada suffers from Dutch Disease.

A report this week from the Institute for Research on Public Policy suggested Canada’s strong dollar has hurt 25% of total factory output, mostly in small, labour-intensive industries such as textiles and apparel.

Attempting to debunk the notion that an increased reliance on oil exports is hollowing out Central Canada’s manufacturing base, the report concluded that cyclical factors and global competition are mostly to blame for the decline in factory production in Canada over the last decade.

Harper government funded study arguing Canada suffers from ‘Dutch Disease’ | News | National Post
 
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petros

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The paper, “Does the Canadian Economy Suffer from Dutch Disease?”
concludes that a third or more of job losses in Canada’s manufacturing sector
can be attributed to resource-driven currency appreciation.



Which resources? Oil? Uranium? Nickel? Iron? Forestry? Ag? Potash? Gold? Copper? Zinc? Aluminum?
 

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You mean the homosexual butler (whoever that is). I'm on a crusade to get the word gay back to its non-sexual meaning a la Flinstones "gay, old time". It's a shame what the homosexuals have done by usurping that wonderful word to describing their activities.
 

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If you look at this, petros, you will see that Canada's share of emissions is now 1.8%. You can check out its performance ranking, too. It may embarrass. What will not be clear is that Canada's reduction share is partly due to the recession that we have experienced recently while a couple of major polluters have not..

Canada has also improved a couple of places in the past year. That is entirely due to the initiatives of a few provinces. It is still close to the worst overall.

http://germanwatch.org/klima/ccpi.pdf
 

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Right now, the #1 reason for manufacturing decline is lack of competitiveness.

The dutch disease exists 'mildly' because production only began ramping up in 2006. When we install pipelines, that risk will be much greater, unless we can actually enforce cleanup legislation.

So, dutch disease is directly correlated to the number of pipelines in any given area and the possibility for cleanup amplifies this horrible scenario.

A chilling thought indeed.

Yes, I know $7.7 billion from contaminated sites

Are you talking about the contaminated federal gvt sites?
 

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If you look at this, petros, you will see that Canada's share of emissions is now 1.8%. You can check out its performance ranking, too. It may embarrass. What will not be clear is that Canada's reduction share is partly due to the recession that we have experienced recently while a couple of major polluters have not..

Canada has also improved a couple of places in the past year. That is entirely due to the initiatives of a few provinces. It is still close to the worst overall.

http://germanwatch.org/klima/ccpi.pdf


I've downloaded & skimmed through this 20 page PDF, and I'm left
(still) with the question regarding Canada of, "How much of this 1.8%
of total global emmisions is directly due to Canada's climate, and
people staying alive through the winters in their homes, and heating
their workplaces in the winter so they can, well....work there through
the winters?"

I'm not ready to accept guilt and open my wallet to give my money to
countries with much more moderate climates becouse I did what I had
to do to live through another Canadian Prairie winter. If I'm wrong, where
& how wrong am I?
 

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I've downloaded & skimmed through this 20 page PDF, and I'm left
(still) with the question regarding Canada of, "How much of this 1.8%
of total global emmisions is directly due to Canada's climate, and
people staying alive through the winters in their homes, and heating
their workplaces in the winter so they can, well....work there through
the winters?"

I'm not ready to accept guilt and open my wallet to give my money to
countries with much more moderate climates becouse I did what I had
to do to live through another Canadian Prairie winter. If I'm wrong, where
& how wrong am I?

The real questions emerge when you drill down a take a hard look at the underlying model.

It would be interesting to see the various 'compliance' rates of different nations if the measure for acceptable emissions was based on the land mass.
 

Ron in Regina

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The real questions emerge when you drill down a take a hard look at the underlying model.

It would be interesting to see the various 'compliance' rates of different nations if the measure for acceptable emissions was based on the land mass.

It'll never happen. Population I can see, but not land mass, or winter vrs
a moderate climate. Can't villianize Canada if you use the land mass
measure.
 

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If you look at this, petros, you will see that Canada's share of emissions is now 1.8%. You can check out its performance ranking, too. It may embarrass. What will not be clear is that Canada's reduction share is partly due to the recession that we have experienced recently while a couple of major polluters have not..

Canada has also improved a couple of places in the past year. That is entirely due to the initiatives of a few provinces. It is still close to the worst overall.

http://germanwatch.org/klima/ccpi.pdf
Canada is 7% of the world's land mass.
 

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It'll never happen. Population I can see, but not land mass, or winter vrs
a moderate climate. Can't villianize Canada if you use the land mass
measure.

Yeah... And I do know better. The entire argument would fall flat and the nations that have a high population density would be the villians.

Interestingly enough, the nations that have refused the various agreements seem to be those with very large land masses.

Canada is 7% of the world's land mass.


You'd almost figure that Canada should have the capacity to emit 7%
 

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So, dutch disease is directly correlated to the number of pipelines in any given area and the possibility for cleanup amplifies this horrible scenario.

I would say there is some influence that depends on the rate and cost of resource development relative to the manufacturing sector.
 

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What is the boreal and grassland crown land worth in carbon credits?

Canada’s Boreal Forest
Percent of land in Canada covered by boreal forest: 53%
Percent of the world’s boreal forests that lie within Canada’s borders: 25%
 

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What is the boreal and grassland crown land worth in carbon credits?

One billion trillion.

 

petros

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Cool. Lets see if we can swap some with Richardson Branson for free tickets to Hawaii. On second thought I'll pass. Unlike a jet engine you wouldn't stop whining when you got there.