Gomery Commission is a Bomb!

cub1c

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Mar 22, 2005
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Rumors here are getting closer to facts.

Remember that there is a lot of person that assists the commission here in Montréal and that there are big chances that the info, under the publication ban, could come out on the internet. In fact, there could be no way to stop someone to published the info on a website that would be hosted in US.

But everybody from the media agree about something, that what has been told under the publication ban is REALLY BAD, and lead directly to big time corruption.
 

Reverend Blair

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RE: Gomery Commission is

What are the rumours? Just that it's some thing major? We've known that from the start.

If the information is published on a US site, the person who supplies it is still liable for breaking the ban.
 

cub1c

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RE: Gomery Commission is

Maybe, but how can they find out who leaked the information. It is almost impossible! The whole ban is on media; normal people, like me, can still access the commission. And there is no legal procedure in Canada that let you sue criminaly someone from the US for breaking that publication ban.

I just hope that Judge Gomery will lift the ban before it is leaked through the internet.

And by the way Rev, personnally, if I knew what has been said Thursday at the commission, I would be ready to accept the consequences, even if it mean jail time. And a lot of people are feeling the same way, even lot's of politician.

The following week in politics will be heavy since all the opposition knows what's been said, and how it will be seen when people will know. They will have a hard time not to tell anything about it.

It's not true that everybody knows; facts are more important that suspicions or rumors.
 

Andem

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I also heard that its something big. AFAIK, it's been leaked to an "Conservative American web site".
 

Reverend Blair

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RE: Gomery Commission is

Why all the fuss? The ban only lasts until the criminal trial ends. You are letting yourselves be played like pawns by political spin doctors from all sides.
 

cub1c

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Mar 22, 2005
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The ban only lasts until the criminal trial ends.

It is not entirely true, Gomery could decide to lift the ban tomorow if he decided so. The reasons to lift the ban could vary a lot.

As we are speaking, the lawers representing people who have criminal trial are trying to report their client's trial to later, probably september. If they win, and Gomery decides to wait until their trial is finished, we could only know what has been said during the commission after a spring election.

But the contrary is possible, that Gomery decides the "proximity" of the commission and criminal trial is no longer there, and lift the ban.

You are true Rev, there is a lot of spin doctors everywhere and I'm trying to stay objective. But since the true is not known, it gives them so much power!
 

cub1c

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Mar 22, 2005
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RE: Gomery Commission is

It is not only something big federaly, it is something big provincialy in Québec.

Last week, someone from the Jean Charest, liberal PM of Québec, cabinet resigned because he's name was heard in front of the commission.

Because all of this was because of Québec and the souvereignists, lots of Liberals folks of Québec had both feets in corruption, and most of them are still working in the Québec's Liberal party today.
 

Dan Service

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Apr 3, 2005
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It amazes me, that with all the slease and corruption that is asssociated with the liberal at this time, that the oppositon aren't jumping at the chance to have an election-I know they all are financially short as a party to do so, but sooner or later somewone will divulge the info that is so devasting to the liberals, and we will have an elction anyway. Lets hope Ontario is finially fed up with them
 

peapod

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That might be true, but the thought of having a depraved morality forced upon us through laws and legislation is way more scary than being robbed.
 

crit13

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That might be true, but the thought of having a depraved morality forced upon us through laws and legislation is way more scary than being robbed.

It's a good thing that there isn't any fear mongering around here. Your talking as if Canada will become the next Nazi Germany if the Conservatives get elected.
 

Reverend Blair

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RE: Gomery Commission is

The Conservatives are as corrupt as the Liberals. Remember Mulroney? There were more scandals under him than any other PM. The Conservatives' chief lawyer got caught breaking election laws when he was part of the provincial Conservatives here in Manitoba. Stockwell Day, when he sitting in the Alberta government, first illegally tried to force a lawyer to drop a case, then had the provincial government pay his legal fees. Don't even get me started about the Conservatives who went to jail in Saskatchewan. Those were sitting MLAs, not people peripherally connected to the party.

Saying that the Conservatives are somehow less prone to scandal is ridiculous.

That, combined with the regressive social policies of Stevie Harper and his gang of Christian radicals, is why people will give the Liberals another minority government, Dan. It's also why Harper doesn't want to go to the polls yet...he wants to wait until the publication ban is lifted. He's hoping that if the scandal is bad enough that he can win Ontario.

He won't get anything in Quebec though, and this will push some seats to the NDP...especially in the urban areas.

So far the next election is being fought on the environment. The Liberals and the NDP are going to see to that. The Conservatives have been cranking up the anti-environment machinery (notice how many anti-Kyoto posters have shown up on various boards lately? have a wander around some Canadian sites...it's pretty funny) but that won't be enough because people see what's going on around them. If the Conservatives can't switch the issue, they will get whipped.

Even if Harper manages to eek out a minority, he won't be able to do much because his policies are inherently backward and he won't have the support of the BQ or the NDP on them.

The election being pushed back by as much as a year isn't a bad thing, Cub1c. So what if the criminal trials are in the fall and the publication isn't lifted until after Christmas? That would make it a little sweeter for the PQ, wouldn't it?

Meanwhile pushing for everything to be rushed out now offers very little benefit to the BQ. The Liberals will be reduced to only their safe seats...pretty much where they already are. The NDP would pick up support though, so the BQ's influence in the House of Commons would be reduced.

What would it change in the end? Nothing, because neither the Liberals nor the Conservatives want to change things to prevent things like this from happening in the future. They like things this way.
 

zeebaron

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When folks have a reasonable position the shrill hyperbole becomes unnecessary.re crit 13
 

Reverend Blair

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RE: Gomery Commission is

Now why would this show up on a conservative. Who would have leaked to a Republican blogger? Why would a Republican care about a Canadian scandal...they are teh US party that keeps telling us we're insignificant and don't really matter. They must have had some urging from some connected Canadians. Who has close ties to the Republicans? Hmmm....the Conservative Party does.

Now, I wouldn't want to start a whole new scandal or anything, but somebody has broken the law in Canada. In doing so they have showed contempt for our justice system and the integrity of our courts and our system of government. They have done so for purely political reasons.

I think this requires a full inquiry. A complete baring of the Conservative Party and their contacts within the Republican Party and their use of the internet for political subversion.

A crime has clearly been committed. We need to get to the bottom of it.
 

MMMike

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Mar 21, 2005
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Yes Rev, it is the time for righteous indignation! Heaven forbid the truth actually come out about the corrupt Liberals. We can't let that happen. :roll:
 

MMMike

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It'll be interesting to see how the politics play out over the next little while: do the Liberals try to have an early election before the info comes out? Do they wait until at least a week after the info comes out (Canadians have famously short memories when they step in the voting booth)? What about opposition strategy?

Interesting times ahead!
 

cub1c

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Mar 22, 2005
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RE: Gomery Commission is

Yes, very interesting. We will know more by the end of day.

So Rev, you are asking to regulate the internet?

Good luck.