GOD

[Vanni Fucci]

In researching the phenomenon of religion and faith, and find myself ever returning to the question of intent.

Right from the first chapters of Genesis we are assaulted with it, whereby the authors of the Pentateuch make it very clear in serving their God, one must submit their own will to his...this theme carries on throughout the Old and New Testaments...obeisance and submission of control...

This is all fine and good, for those that can stomach the servitude, but the question remains:

Who really are you relinquishing your moral authority and self governance to?

Some may say their particular flavour of god...but I beg to differ. No, in fact, they are submitting their free will to no higher power than the clergy who is pounding on the pulpit, and the collective consciousness of the congregation.

Obedience is the key to heaven...following ones own moral compass will consign one to hell...so says the bible...

So my question is, and continues to be, what is the importance of having the masses relinquish control of their morality, and who does it benefit most?

These questions and many more I ponder into the night...

An Insightful Perspective on the Problems With Beliefs

 

[Vanni Fucci]

Re: RE: GOD

let me ask you what you think started the world

The inherently unstable nature of entropy...

 

[I think not]

:laughing3: I love it!

 

[Vanni Fucci]

http://home.flash.net/~csmith0/bigbang.htm

There are two dominant religious mythologies. According to Judeo-Christian belief, the universe had a definite beginning. This is the Genesis hypothesis, where the universe was hatched from a Cosmic Egg. However, according to the Hindu-Buddhist belief in Nirvana, the universe is timeless; it never had a beginning, nor will it have an end.

Quantum cosmology proposes a beautiful synthesis of these seemingly hostile viewpoints. In the beginning was Nothing. No space, no matter or energy. But according to the quantum principle, even Nothing was unstable. Nothing began to decay; i.e. it began to "boil," with billions of tiny bubbles forming and expanding rapidly. Each bubble became an expanding universe.

If this is true, then our universe is actually part of a much larger "multiverse" of parallel universes, which is truly timeless, like Nirvana.

As Nobel laureate Steve Weinberg has said, "An important implication is that there wasn't a beginning; that there were increasingly large Big Bangs, so that the [multiverse] goes on forever - one doesn't have to grapple with the question of it before the Bang. The [multiverse] has just been here all along. I find that a very satisfying picture."

Universes can literally spring into existence as a quantum fluctuation of Nothing. (This is because the positive energy found in matter is balanced against the negative energy of gravity, so the total energy of a bubble is zero. Thus, it takes no net energy to create a new universe.)

 

[Slurpie]

Some may say their particular flavour of god...but I beg to differ. No, in fact, they are submitting their free will to no higher power than the clergy who is pounding on the pulpit, and the collective consciousness of the congregation.

Obedience is the key to heaven...following ones own moral compass will consign one to hell...so says the bible...

god created free will! if it wern't for free will we'd all be robots and that's not what the bible says! I think you've misread the bible. God loves us enough to give us free will and after all we've done! Why would he want to take it away. Anyway if you actualy think about it God's will is the most apealling.

 

[Slurpie]

soory the last paragraph is mine

 

[Vanni Fucci]

god created free will! if it wern't for free will we'd all be robots and that's not what the bible says! I think you've misread the bible. God loves us enough to give us free will and after all we've done! Why would he want to take it away. Anyway if you actualy think about it God's will is the most apealling.

Free will eh?

How is it free will if you must do everything God says or he'll fry your sorry ass?

...and no, God's will doesn't appeal to me in the least...and there are far more interesting, and relevant books to read than your book of fairy tales...

 

[Vanni Fucci]

Free Willy

 

[Slurpie]

you like feeling the way you do? (it's only tempoary you know-this is what i think i'm trying not to judge you but if you differ then say so) I wasn't always a christian and when I wasn't is a lot worse then right now!

 

[Vanni Fucci]

Re: RE: GOD

you like feeling the way you do?

Not quite sure what you're getting at here, but how I feel has no bearing on what is truth. Facts are facts whether I feel good about them or not.

(it's only tempoary you know-this is what i think i'm trying not to judge you but if you differ then say so)

Again, not sure what you're getting at here, could you elaborate please?

I wasn't always a christian and when I wasn't is a lot worse then right now!

I wasn't always an infidel, but given the choice, I'll stick to what's testable, and provable. Funny thing is, everyone has that choice, but some choose to be willfully ignorant of the real world?

 

[Slurpie]

Re: RE: GOD

you like feeling the way you do?

Not quite sure what you're getting at here, but how I feel has no bearing on what is truth. Facts are facts whether I feel good about them or not.
I know soe people who study evolution and creation and i'll ask them for some proof that god exists. i'll get back to you about this saterday.

(it's only tempoary you know-this is what i think i'm trying not to judge you but if you differ then say so)

Again, not sure what you're getting at here, could you elaborate please?

life is only tempoary and the way you feel (even though you think that it doesn't have anything to do with it feelings come from the heart (this girl was murdered so they gave her heart to somebody and that person had nightmares about the girls murder so with her nightmares they caught the murderer(they found proof too) so heart is where the concience is) i want to know how you feel in you're heart. If you feel bad then maybe you'd like to try going to church and try to reason with what the pastor is saying!(i recomend a non-denonminashional church)

I wasn't always a christian and when I wasn't is a lot worse then right now!

I wasn't always an infidel, but given the choice, I'll stick to what's testable, and provable. Funny thing is, everyone has that choice, but some choose to be willfully ignorant of the real world?

the real world? the world is corrupt i live in it and i stay clear from the sinful ways of the world!

 

[Slurpie]

that didn't work with all the quoting hard to read

 

[Vanni Fucci]

Re: RE: GOD

I know soe people who study evolution and creation and i'll ask them for some proof that god exists. i'll get back to you about this saterday.

Yes, please do...:wink:

life is only tempoary and the way you feel (even though you think that it doesn't have anything to do with it feelings come from the heart (this girl was murdered so they gave her heart to somebody and that person had nightmares about the girls murder so with her nightmares they caught the murderer(they found proof too) so heart is where the concience is) i want to know how you feel in you're heart. If you feel bad then maybe you'd like to try going to church and try to reason with what the pastor is saying!(i recomend a non-denonminashional church)

Yes life is temporary, and then you die, and your mortal flesh is left in the capable hands of microbial parasites. Don't worry though, it is all part of nature, and you won't feel a thing.

By the way, you have been tragically misinformed. Emotions do not come from the heart, they come from the brain...

http://www.uihealthcare.com/news/news/2001/01/08emotion.html

Oh yeah...and could you post a link to the story of the heart transplant patient, please... :wink:

the real world? the world is corrupt i live in it and i stay clear from the sinful ways of the world!

You do realize that faith in ones god has contributed to many of the problems that the world has faced, and is facing today. Religious intolerance has directly or indirectly caused more wars than any other phenomenon in the history of mankind. Intolerance is still rife in many parts of the world. There is still ethnic cleansing occuring due to a difference in beliefs. I'm not entirely convinced that the global war on terror is not just that.

 

[Slurpie]

were u ever a christian?

 

[Vanni Fucci]

Yes...but my faith kind of fizzled when I was 7 or 8 years old...it didn't make sense then, and it doesn't make sense now...

 

[Slurpie]

maybe because you're too close minded to try? it can't hurt!

 

[Vanni Fucci]

Re: RE: GOD

maybe because you're too close minded to try? it can't hurt!

:lol: :lol: :lol:

I'm closed minded???

I've left my mind open to all possibilities, and dismissed what could not be proven by scientific method...

I could explain for you where your version of the truth most likely came from, but you would not believe me anyway, because the thought of something being different than what you know would scare the living crap out of you...

This particular truth was designed from the ground up to keep you enslaved to it for the rest of your natural life...

The truth will set you free? Not in your lifetime...

 

[Slurpie]

yawn

 

[I think not]

Just because someone believes (or doesn't) something different than you slurpie doesn't make them close-minded.

Religion is about faith, not proof.

 

[Slurpie]

i know i'm not scorning atheists i just think they should try go to dhurch if they don't like then don't o again!