God loves us

[gopher]

sounds like a rather nasty chap..... ....and a fear monger to boot.




On top of all that, it says in Isaiah 45:7 that God is the exclusive creater of ALL evil.

 

[Reverend Blair]

I was watching a thing on the U of W channel last night and it seems that the more time we have on our hands, the more bizarre the religion gets. It was really about native religions in North America, but it's a lot like the pattern other religions follow.

For instance:

Hunter-gatherer groups like the Cree had quite personal religions. There were shamans, but they didn't have a lot of political power. It was up to the individual to go out and have visions and the shaman would help them interpret it. The rituals were generally inexpensive and easy to perform. They were also practical...you'd make an offering in hope of a good hunt or not drowning when crossing a river.

When you get to the Iroquois, who had greater food security and a lot more time on their hands, the rituals get more intricate, the shaman has way more political power, and the expense to both the individual and the group increases. The Iroquois even practiced limited human sacrifice.

Now head down south. They had a lot of food security and a lot of time on their hands. The people lived to support the priesthood. When the Temple of the Sun opened in Mexico City, they killed 20,000 people in four days.

 

[Laika]

Vanni, the term Buddha is commonly used to refer to Siddhartha Gautama although it more accurately refers to one who has attained enlightenment. The point I was making is that Buddhism does not make false claims about the existence of gods and that the person commonly refered to as Buddha is not considered a god, as some people mistakenly believe.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

In other words, Thou Shalt Not Kill is not so important to God or man as Thou Shalt Have No Other Gods Before Me...

EXCELLENT point. !!! so just "who" is this self serving , egotistical "God"???? :wink:

Would sure be nice to have a visual /photo of the "God" that supposedly LOVES us. Given that love is a human emotion..... doesn't that imply ..........????

does not pass the rational litmus test.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

sounds like a rather nasty chap..... ....and a fear monger to boot.




On top of all that, it says in Isaiah 45:7 that God is the exclusive creater of ALL evil.

and "we" are to "worship " this entity??? Quite irrational. But then most fixated beliefs are not rational.........and have no basis in reality. Fixated beliefs are defined as delusions. ......and delusions are symptoms of mental illness. Much has been written about Religious beliefs being a symptom of mental disorders. But some simply NEED religion. So it must fullfll some unfullfilled inner need.........and this is where things can get really bizarre. All too often this graduates into an obsession.......(obs/compulsive disorders ) .. and fanaticsim is the outcome.

 

[Reverend Blair]

so just "who" is this self serving , egotistical "God"?

Harry Kozloski. He lives at 253 Oak Avenue. :wink:

 

[#juan]

Uh gopher wrote:

On top of all that, it says in Isaiah 45:7 that God is the exclusive creater of ALL evil.

Not all bibles have that exact wording

http://tinyurl.com/b68j2

 

[Jo Canadian]

:lol: The last time I debated theology in person, my ex mother in law had finished smoking a bowl with me, and these two Jehova witnesses knocked on the door and we invited them in. Methinks they were a little uncomfortable. After all, while discussing the issues I was also working on a large painting at the time in the kitchen depicting a Black elf battling a Demon, while Marilyn Manson was playing in the background. Besides, they also learned never debate theology with someone who is stoned :lol: Gotta give em credit though they kept trying for half an hour...never did come back too.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

so just "who" is this self serving , egotistical "God"?

Harry Kozloski. He lives at 253 Oak Avenue. :wink:

:lol: :lol:

(laughing out loud....

:wink:

 

[gopher]

"not all Bibles have the same exact wording"

True:

I form the light and create darkness,
I bring prosperity and create disaster;
I, the LORD, do all these things.



not exactly the same words, but pretty much the same sentiments

 

[#juan]

Hi gopher

I am not a student of theology. I just happened to have an old bible around the house and it used the word "calamity" instead of "evil". I did a bit of googling and found that there are a dozen or so different bibles and a lot use a word other than "evil". Evil has an "evil sort of sound to it, while "calamity" could be falling in the mud with your best suit on... :wink: :lol:

 

[Twila]

I kind of like this version of the bible

Dr. Seuss's Bible

 

[Dexter Sinister]

...these two Jehova witnesses knocked on the door ...

Good one Jo. I did a similar number on a pair who kept turning up at my door despite my increasing rudeness when they wouldn't take no for an answer, so finally I made an appointment with them to do their little slide show and tell and give me the full pitch. When they arrived and got themselves set up, I ostentatiously sat in a big chair with a bottle of whisky (actually I'd refilled an empty bottle with cold tea; I wanted to keep my wits about me), drank heavily, smoked, and made fun of them a lot.

Never saw them again.

 

[Reverend Blair]

God loves us? Us? He does not love you. He loves only me. Why would JAAAAESUUUUS love you? You are sinners. Human scum. Some of you may not even be white. God will cast you into fiery damnation. He will CAAAAStrAAAAte your sons and inflict your daughters with syphlis. SYYYYphlis. You must repent. God will still not love you for he loves only me, but you must repent. REEEEEEEEEPENT.

 

[Reverend Blair]

Sorry about that last post. Jerry Falwell took over my hands for a minute. Sometimes I channel reverends with similar credentials.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

How many beer did that take, Rev?

Never mind, it's probably true anyway... :wink:

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Re: RE: God loves us

Sorry about that last post. Jerry Falwell took over my hands for a minute. Sometimes I channel reverends with similar credentials.

and here I was thinking you had dipped in too much "comunion" wine.... :wink:

 

[mrmom2]

Feck you And Jo are killing me tonight I just spewed my Rye and coke all over my keyboard :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Feck you And Jo are killing me tonight I just spewed my Rye and coke all over my keyboard :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

dang, what a waste of good Rye... :wink:

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Christian ritual abuse is real. Christians playing devil is what Satanic ritual abuse IS. Some Christians deep inside the power circles of that belief system are very sick people, and their god is a dual-headed lamb/dragon, a Jesus with fangs, a snakey dove.

The cult of Christianity in the inner cult circles is a very different thing than the public face of "popular Christianity." The Bible, if read a certain way, is a book of instruction for cults. It is a book of manipulation and crime, and how to control people, and societies.

I myself can vouch for this one. I was harmed by a fundamentalist pedophile to "save my soul," and I learned exactly how evil works. The Bible IS two-faced and it does not change hearts or anything else. I am not kidding.

Years later I got sucked into Assemblies of God and they cursed people so they'd "come to Jesus," pray for them to be tortured and tormented until they repent and come back to the church. Some Christians really are sociopaths hiding behind the good guy badge, and they, like all other Christians, believe Jesus will always sanction what they do to those outside the church because of "forgiveness." Jesus takes away all sin, and these horrible people really believe they are blameless now, because they believe in this magic spell of Jesus.

The church can rationalize atrocity by rewording it as "holy." They have done it all throughout history. If you just observe the history of the dark ages, and churches that are busted, churchgoing Christians charged with pedophilia, child abuse, and murder during "exorcisms." It happens. It is in the news, and the perps are CHRISTIANS.

Religion is crazymaking.

Also, the rightwing fundies will use this report of fetuses inside Christian icons to inflame Catholics, to get fundies to support the end of Roe Vs Wade. Much of Christianity wants women and kids to accept slavehood to men, just like in the Roman empire. Christianity HATES women, for a ton of reasons -- one of which is, women are closer to God (they are more emotional, gentle, strong (withstand childbirth) and visionary), and the male disciples were resentful of that, ever since the religion was founded, and before.

Societies are worse off 'when they have God on their side'.

"religion" IS a form of insanity. --any fixed belief is a delusion. Unfortunately , those caught up in it.......(just like any brainwashing).......cannot see this any longer.