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[#juan]

Those elbow pads are a real weapon. Elbow pads were originally designed to protect the elbow. What we have had for the last decade or so is a weapon that can be used to fracture someone's skull, jaw, or concuss a player out of the game. The league likes to talk about how dangerous these elbow pads are, but they have never managed to do anything about them.

Should Pronger have gotten a suspension? In my opinion yes, he deserved that suspension. He has already been suspended for a game in an earlier series for exactly the same offence. There might even have been an argument for a stiffer penalty since he hadn't learned from the last one.

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

Suspension is over the top in my opinion. An elbowing penalty yes, suspension no. If that's all it takes to knock a guy out then they need to convert to non-armour plated pads.

It wasn't a hockey player. It was an Ottawa Senator. They can be taken down by feather dusters (duck feather's perhaps?).

Go Ducks Go.
Ducks in 5.

 

[Kreskin]

So, does every elbowing penalty result in a suspension? That's where elbowing occurs, in the head region. Not many elbows to the groin or knees. It looked to me like the Pronger incident was at best a glancing blow, but it was delivered with an elbow pad capable of protecting against an improved explosive device. I heard Brett Hull talking about these pads the other day. He said half of the time people get concussions you don't even remember seeing the hit. The slightest rap these days is done with the equivalent of granite plated padding. Since a player is no longer allowed to touch a guy above the waist with a stick, why does he need to be protected with materials you could build tanks with?

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

So, does every elbowing penalty result in a suspension? That's where elbowing occurs, in the head region. Not many elbows to the groin or knees. It looked to me like the Pronger incident was at best a glancing blow, but it was delivered with an elbow pad capable of protecting against an improved explosive device. I heard Brett Hull talking about these pads the other day. He said half of the time people get concussions you don't even remember seeing the hit. The slightest rap these days is done with the equivalent of granite plated padding. Since a player is no longer allowed to touch a guy above the waist with a stick, why does he need to be protected with materials you could build tanks with?

I think its a case the more padding you wear, the more injuries are incurred. It creats a sense of invulnarability which causes people to hit harder.

But isn't the head protected by a helmet? Shouldn't the helmet/face plate absorb the blow?

 

[DurkaDurka]

Sounds like an Ontario turf war. I hear that in a year or two the Nashville franchise could be in Hamilton. Turf-war cubed.

I would like to see Hamilton get a team, it might even be possible to get tickets too... unlike Toronto.

 

[#juan]

I think its a case the more padding you wear, the more injuries are incurred. It creats a sense of invulnarability which causes people to hit harder.

But isn't the head protected by a helmet? Shouldn't the helmet/face plate absorb the blow?

The only player with any real face protection is the goaltender. I think most forwards and defencemen would fight any move to make them wear cages like the goaltenders. Non-goaltenders just have the normal helmet with the plexiglass eye protection.

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

The only player with any real face protection is the goaltender. I think most forwards and defencemen would fight any move to make them wear cages like the goaltenders. Non-goaltenders just have the normal helmet with the plexiglass eye protection.

So how, with the normal helmet with plexiglass eye protection, do you land a blow on the head that can do damage?

 

[BitWhys]

So how, with the normal helmet with plexiglass eye protection, do you land a blow on the head that can do damage?

he took it in the base of the neck. you could see the welt. it was a stupid move that could have been worse if it landed different. Pronger has no problem with the supension.

 

[#juan]

So how, with the normal helmet with plexiglass eye protection, do you land a blow on the head that can do damage?

The jaw and chin, are available as targets. Seems to me Berrtuzzi knocked Moore down and out with a blow to the helmet with a gloved fist............Maybe that's not a good example...:roll:

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

he took it in the base of the neck. you could see the welt. it was a stupid move that could have been worse if it landed different. Pronger has no problem with the supension.

I am not talking about Pronger. The Ducks will win with or without him. Seems every team in the finals always has one or 2 players that are known to play dirty. The Ducks and the Sens are no exceptions.

I am just curious where the vulnarabilites are in the equipment or wether the current NHL player has too much or too little equipment.

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

The jaw and chin, are available as targets. Seems to me Berrtuzzi knocked Moore down and out with a blow to the helmet with a gloved fist............Maybe that's not a good example...:roll:

Probably not. I think it was him jumping on Moore after that caused the damage.

Is there a reason the elbow pad has to be made of such a hard material? When I play soccer, I have a soft knee pad. Would this not work for elbows in hockey? I am not a hockey player. I used to watch it on TV.

 

[BitWhys]

I am not talking about Pronger. The Ducks will win with or without him. Seems every team in the finals always has one or 2 players that are known to play dirty. The Ducks and the Sens are no exceptions.

I am just curious where the vulnarabilites are in the equipment or wether the current NHL player has too much or too little equipment.

soft elbow pads won't do you much good when you get cranked into the boards. this isn't rugby. the angles are different.

 

[shadowshiv]

Those elbow pads are a real weapon. Elbow pads were originally designed to protect the elbow. What we have had for the last decade or so is a weapon that can be used to fracture someone's skull, jaw, or concuss a player out of the game. The league likes to talk about how dangerous these elbow pads are, but they have never managed to do anything about them.

Should Pronger have gotten a suspension? In my opinion yes, he deserved that suspension. He has already been suspended for a game in an earlier series for exactly the same offence. There might even have been an argument for a stiffer penalty since he hadn't learned from the last one.

That was the reason I felt he deserved a suspension. He had done this earlier in the playoffs and got suspended for it, so a precedent was set(not that the NHL always follows their precedents, but that's another story.;-)).

 

[talloola]

So, does every elbowing penalty result in a suspension? That's where elbowing occurs, in the head region. Not many elbows to the groin or knees. It looked to me like the Pronger incident was at best a glancing blow, but it was delivered with an elbow pad capable of protecting against an improved explosive device. I heard Brett Hull talking about these pads the other day. He said half of the time people get concussions you don't even remember seeing the hit. The slightest rap these days is done with the equivalent of granite plated padding. Since a player is no longer allowed to touch a guy above the waist with a stick, why does he need to be protected with materials you could build tanks with?

The material shouild be changed, Cherry did a little demo on hockey night in canada about them.
Compared them to 'same' years ago, no similarity at all. It wasn't a glancing blow at all, it was
very obviously a 'real' albow to the head. There is 'no' reason to deliberately target someones head,
he did that on his first suspension, and again on this one, good thing this is the playoffs, or the
suspension would be tougher. They are thinking of his team, and being lenient, and that is OK
I guess, for now.
My husband has been in the heat of the battle in hockey for years, knows the feeling of a elbow
hit, (and that was with the old pads), so he realizes what these knew hits must feel like, or, as
you stated, most players don't even know what happened to them, as they are not fully conscious
when they hit the ice. They showed a close up and the guys eyes were dazed and glassy laying
there, the camera was right in close.
Someone as big and talented as Pronger has to stop doing this, it is not some 'goon' who can't do
anything else, he is a very talented player, but I notice his 'cool and control' begins to leave him
as soon as he isn't controlling the game any longer, he has many other choices he can make, and
sticking that big elbow out, isn't one of them, don't forget they are not standing still, they are
moving at a fast pace, the impact is big, just try walking into a door or wall or anything, and you
will notice the impact is much greater than one would every think.

 

[#juan]

soft elbow pads won't do you much good when you get cranked into the boards. this isn't rugby. the angles are different.

I believe it is possible to make elbow pads that will protect the elbow from even a full speed crash into the boards and not be the weapon the current pads are.

 

[talloola]

I think its a case the more padding you wear, the more injuries are incurred. It creats a sense of invulnarability which causes people to hit harder.

But isn't the head protected by a helmet? Shouldn't the helmet/face plate absorb the blow?

There is no covering right around the ear, or forhead, but I guess if he was elbowed high on his
head, he would escape injury or concussion, but that doesn't usually happen, seems to always be
around the side, or lower areas of the head. In his first suspension, he hit holmstrom right behind
his head and rammed him into the glass, immediate bleeding from the forhead.
I think the helmets protect mostly from pucks hitting the head, or head hitting the ice, (sometimes),
but even if they hit the ice on the back of their head, they can still be knocked out,
or a wayward stick flying around the head area, but those elbows come in from the side, and sometimes in an upward motion.

 

[cdn_bc_ca]

So how, with the normal helmet with plexiglass eye protection, do you land a blow on the head that can do damage?

Easy... you elbow somebody in the head, their head snaps back... resulting in neck problem.

The helmet is there to prevent you from cracking your head against something... and that's about it.

 

[shadowshiv]

The only player with any real face protection is the goaltender. I think most forwards and defencemen would fight any move to make them wear cages like the goaltenders. Non-goaltenders just have the normal helmet with the plexiglass eye protection.

Look how much the players fought when the NHL said they were thinking of making visors mandatory, even though a bunch of players have recently been hit in their eye! You can just imagine how much they would fight the move to have even more cover on their helmets.8O

 

[#juan]

Look how much the players fought when the NHL said they were thinking of making visors mandatory, even though a bunch of players have recently been hit in their eye! You can just imagine how much they would fight the move to have even more cover on their helmets.8O

Players still not wearing visors are dinosaurs......or stupid. If a person has the talent to play hockey at the NHL level, why in the world would one risk losing it all because of a stick/eye injury that could likely have been avoided? I never had that kind of talent but I played hockey for many years....with a visor and without. I've probably been cut on the face six or eight times by a wayward stick. Thankfully, not in the eye.

 

[Pangloss]

Soooo - what will it be:

The Sens outraged and energized from the win and the cheap attack. . .

or

The Ducks stepping up in the absence of Pronger (awesome defenseman) and fighting mad after the loss?

Pangloss