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JLM

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Hehehe...how cute...a guy that doesn't understand that the GG is the queens representative is questioning other people's IQs. Is it any wonder why I find you the most entertaining poster here.

You really are an ignorant S.O.B. aren't you? You are too stupid to even argue with. Queen's representative is ONE of the G.G.'s roles. He's also an independent Canadian with a mind of his own and when he was talking about hockey most normal people would understand he was giving his own opinion. IDIOT!
 

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You really are an ignorant S.O.B. aren't you? You are too stupid to even argue with. Queen's representative is ONE of the G.G.'s roles. He's also an independent Canadian with a mind of his own and when he was talking about hockey most normal people would understand he was giving his own opinion. IDIOT!

Hehehe...this thread has everything to do with the bitch. You're just silly.
 

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Gerry supports an organization that turned a blind eye to child molestation. The reason he supports it....Gawd says so. I can't tell you how happy I am that Gerry and I have a different idea of what Gawd wants.
 

JLM

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Gerry supports an organization that turned a blind eye to child molestation. The reason he supports it....Gawd says so. I can't tell you how happy I am that Gerry and I have a different idea of what Gawd wants.

Nice try, idiot!
 

Johnnny

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The governor general is not elected he/she is appointed. In my opinion that is an insult to democracy, these people aren't judges. Like the last governor general prorogued parliament (good or bad) which affected basically Canadian history and they weren't even elected. So much for ceremonial duties only.....
 
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FiveParadox

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Hehehe....the bitch thinks Gawd has given her reign over me. I'd tell her to fu ck off if I ever met her.

God didn't give the Queen the right to reign over us; the Parliament of Canada did. The Royal Style and Titles Act, of the Parliament of Canada, grants the total "Queen of Canada" to Her Majesty; and the Parliament of Canada, including our elected representatives in the House of Commons, approved the Succession to the Throne Act, 2013, two and a half years or so ago, once again enshrining the hereditary (but now gender-neutral) nature of our constitutional monarchy.

The governor general is not elected he/she is appointed. In my opinion that is an insult to democracy, these people aren't judges. Like the last governor general prorogued parliament (good or bad) which affected basically Canadian history and they weren't even elected. So much for ceremonial duties only.....

It only makes sense for the Governor General to be appointed. The Governor General is supposed to follow our constitutional rules, conventions, and precedents when called upon to exercise discretion as the Queen's representative. If you are unhappy with the December 2008 prorogation of Parliament, then your scorn belongs to the Conservatives, and not to the Governor General.

Prorogation is also, nearly always, a very routine tool used by Governments to clear the legislative agenda and to pave the way for the next steps of the Government's legislative program. Most of our Parliaments have been prorogued several times, and so to suggest that there is anything nefarious in the Queen's representative proroguing the legislature — on the advice of a Prime Minister responsible to the elected House, no less — is misinformed, if not disingenuous.
 

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In my opinion that is an insult to democracy.....

The monarchy itself is an insult to democracy. It also shows a lack of a scientific mind to accept that the queen gets to be queen because of who her daddy was. Anybody willing to choose a leader based on that criteria lacks sophistication.
 

JLM

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The monarchy itself is an insult to democracy. It also shows a lack of a scientific mind to accept that the queen gets to be queen because of who her daddy was. Anybody willing to choose a leader based on that criteria lacks sophistication.

It's a hereditary position, Dummy!
 

pgs

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The monarchy itself is an insult to democracy. It also shows a lack of a scientific mind to accept that the queen gets to be queen because of who her daddy was. Anybody willing to choose a leader based on that criteria lacks sophistication.
Hmmn didn't the liberal party of Canada elect their leader on who his father was ?
And didn't we as Canadians jump at their choice ?
 

JLM

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Hmmn didn't the liberal party of Canada elect their leader on who his father was ?
And didn't we as Canadians jump at their choice ?

Egg Zachary!

I should apologize for losing my cool earlier in this thread but there's a limit on the amount of ignorance and lack of class one person can stand. I do not have a strong opinion on our status with the Monarchy, I'm content either way. But it's the epitome of ignorance to categorize her in such a way for something she had absolutely nothing to do with and agree with the position or not, one has to admit she has performed her duties professionally, graciously and with diligence and from what I can gather has harmed no one, but rather brought much joy to a lot of people. That's my feelings about the Queen and similar for David Johnston. Unfortunately, ignorance runs rampant among us!
 

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Hmmn didn't the liberal party of Canada elect their leader on who his father was ?
And didn't we as Canadians jump at their choice ?

The key word in that post was "elect". That's what democracies should do. There's no place in the 21st century for a monarchy.
 

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The key word in that post was "elect". That's what democracies should do. There's no place in the 21st century for a monarchy.
Except Kennedy's , Clinton's , Bushe's , Trudeau's and soon to be Mulrooney's
 

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If you are unhappy with the December 2008 prorogation of Parliament, then your scorn belongs to the Conservatives, and not to the Governor General.

The conservatives using the Governor General to prorogue Parliament is no different than when Mcdonald used the GG to prorogue parliament due to the railway scandal and Chretien for the sponsorship. The GG is essentially just a tool to be abused when the current government comes under serious criticism. Like sure he might do something? But being a tool to stop the law making process of parliament because the prime minister is under investigation doesnt strike me as a viable use. Let the house vote on prorogation instead of letting some chump who was not elected. The system is archaic....

Type in Governor General of Canada in google, check the news tab and low and behold we have the GG doing **** all substantial.

He is like the guy at work that doesn't stop talking to everyone, while everyone else is working.
 
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FiveParadox

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The conservatives using the Governor General to prorogue Parliament is no different than when Mcdonald used the GG to prorogue parliament due to the railway scandal and Chretien for the sponsorship. The GG is essentially just a tool to be abused when the current government comes under serious criticism. Like sure he might do something? But being a tool to stop the law making process of parliament because the prime minister is under investigation doesnt strike me as a viable use. Let the house vote on prorogation instead of letting some chump who was not elected. The system is archaic....
I think we need a bit of a history lesson for you, Johnnny.

Prorogation during the Pacific Scandal

The Right Honourable Sir John A. Macdonald GCB, KCMG, PC, PC, QC, the 1st Prime Minister, did indeed advise the Governor General to prorogue Parliament, in August of 1873, seemingly so that his Government could avoid parliamentary scrutiny. At the time, the Government enjoyed the confidence of the elected House, which means that there really are very few circumstances under which the Governor General could (or should) refuse the advice of the Prime Minister.

The Governor General did not just leave it at the approval of the request, though. The Most Honourable The Marquess of Dufferin and Ava KP, GCB, GCSI, GCMG, GCIE, PC (then The Earl of Dufferin), the 3rd Governor General, established certain conditions on the prorogation: Parliament could be prorogued for no more than ten weeks (whereas it is constitutional for prorogation to last up to a year); the Governor General appointed a commission to continue the investigation into the scandal in the interim, and was ordered to present findings upon Parliament's return.

Once Parliament resumed, the commission presented its report. The House of Commons, despite its Conservative majority, voted to censure the Prime Minister, and he was thereby forced to offer his resignation to the Governor General. The Governor General then appointed The Honourable Alexander Mackenzie PC, the 3rd Prime Minister, to form a Government; which he did, and then provided immediate advice for dissolution and a general election.

It looks to me that things worked out exactly the way that they were supposed to. This was a political crisis, and not a constitutional one; the Governor General is but a constitutional referee and, as the Queen's representative, should not be actively involved in the politics of the day.

Prorogation during the Sponsorship Scandal

In 2002, when The Right Honourable Jean Chrétien PC, OM, CC, QC, the 20th Prime Minister, advised the Governor General to prorogue Parliament, ostensibly to avoid the tabling of a report from the House of Commons Standing Committee on Public Accounts related to the Sponsorship Scandal, the Government continued to enjoy the confidence of the elected House; the Governor General had little choice but to accept the advice of the Prime Minister and to prorogue the legislature.

However, it is also true that the first session of the 37th Parliament had already gone on for nearly two years. 14 Senate Government bills, and another 47 Government bills from the Commons, had already passed all legislative stages and had received royal assent. The legislative program for that session was winding down, and the next logical step is to prorogue Parliament, to present a new speech from the throne, and to deliver the next legislative program.

Again, in almost all cases, prorogation is a fairly routine mechanism of Parliament.

In any case, once Parliament resumed, the investigation into the Sponsorship Scandal continued, and parliamentary scrutiny resulted in the resignation of the Prime Minister, and the formation of a new Ministry. An election soon followed, and Canadians returned the Liberals to Parliament with only a plurality of seats; the Government was soon thereafter defeated on a question of confidence, ushering in ten years of Conservative government.

Again, this was not a constitutional crisis, but a political one. Everything worked as it was supposed to. The Right Honourable Adrienne Clarkson PC, CC, CMM, COM, CD, the 26th Governor General, was bound by convention and precedent to accept the advice of a Prime Minister who continued to enjoy the confidence of the House. Had the Governor General refused such advice, while they continued to enjoy the support of our elected representatives, that would have precipitated a constitutional crisis.

Really, the point is, the Governor General should take all possible steps, when a political crisis befalls Parliament, to give the Houses of Parliament every possible opportunity to solve their crisis on their own, before resorting to the reserve powers of the Crown to intervene.

Type in Governor General of Canada in google, check the news tab and low and behold we have the GG doing **** all substantial.
Of course these things are substantial.

The Governor General, as the Queen's representative, is the head of the Canadian honours system. The recognition of excellence is an important part of uniting Canadians and celebrating the fantastic things that we do. It is appropriate that the fount of honour should be Her Majesty, and the Queen's representative, so that national honours are not "tainted" by partisan politics of the day.