Gay advocates fight churches' charity status

[Vanni Fucci]

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Doesn't it also say you cannot discriminate against someone based on religion?

What a twisted world we live in where we have zealots wanting the courts to uphold their freedom of religion so that they can legally discriminate against minorities...

...and people wonder why I think religion is a bunch of bullshit... :evil:

 

[dave s]

Top Religious Denominations in Canada
2001 1991 % change
(in numbers)
Number % Number %
Christian 72 80
- Roman Catholic
12,793,125 43.2 12,203,625 45.2 +4.8
- Total Protestant 8,654,845 29.2 9,427,675 34.9 -8.2
- United Church of Canada
2,839,125 9.6 3,093,120 11.5 -8.2
- Anglican Church of Canada
2,035,495 6.9 2,188,110 8.1 -7.0
- Christian, not included elsewhere¹ 780,450 2.6 353,040 1.3 +121.1
- Baptist
729,475 2.5 663,360 2.5 +10.0
- Lutheran
606,590 2.0 636,205 2.4 -4.7
- Protestant, not included elsewhere² 549,205 1.9
- Presbyterian
409,830 1.4 636,295 2.4 -35.6
- Christian Orthodox
479,620 1.6 387,395 1.4 +23.8
No religion 4,796,325 16.2 3,333,245 12.3 +43.9
Other
- Muslim
579,640 2.0 253,265 0.9 +128.9
- Jewish
329,995 1.1 318,185 1.2 +3.7
- Buddhist
300,345 1.0 163,415 0.6 +83.8
- Hindu
297,200 1.0 157,015 0.6 +89.3
- Sikh
278,415 0.9 147,440 0.5 +88.8
¹ Includes persons who report “Christian”, and those who report “Apostolic”, “Born-again Christian” and “Evangelical”.
² Includes persons who report only “Protestant”.
* For comparability purposes, 1991 data are presented according to 2001 boundaries.


Lucky for us your a Minority in Canada.

 

[Gordon J Torture]

We have no problem with the Catholic Church or any other faith group promoting bigotry," he said. "We have a problem with the Canadian government funding that bigotry.

And how exactly to these homosexuals conclude that imposing their own beliefs on all of society while "having a problem" with those who differ, is not "bigotry"?

 

[Vanni Fucci]

Lucky for us your a Minority in Canada.

Yeah...lucky thing for you that we don't have the clout to stop institutionalized bigotry...or do we?

By the way, where did you get those numbers from www.godwillcuretheirgayness.ca?

 

[peapod]

"Lucky for us your a Minority in Canada."

How silly can you be!!!! everyone, well nearly everyone when asked states a religion...does it mean they practice it, or would in any way agree with religious zealots. Not on your life.

 

[TenPenny]

Re: RE: Gay advocates fight churches' charity status

And how exactly to these homosexuals conclude that imposing their own beliefs on all of society while "having a problem" with those who differ, is not "bigotry"?

And how, exactly, are homosexuals imposing their beliefs on all of society??? I've never had a homosexual "impose" anything on me, other than the guy who ran the B and B in Stratford, who gave my wife and me fresh doughnuts at breakfast......I guess he imposed his belief that hot fresh doughnuts were tasty, and I admit I agreed.

What the heck is wrong with people? In what possible way is same sex marriage threatening or damaging to heterosexuals?

 

[peapod]

Fear

 

[dave s]

Lucky for us your a Minority in Canada.

Yeah...lucky thing for you that we don't have the clout to stop institutionalized bigotry...or do we?

By the way, where did you get those numbers from www.godwillcuretheirgayness.ca?

No actually it was from www.aidswillgetthemintheend.org

 

[Jay]

It looks like they are threatening churches though....

I think they want to stir the pot…

 

[Gordon J Torture]

And how, exactly, are homosexuals imposing their beliefs on all of society???

By dictating that all of society should live by what they perceive as just. They are forcing others to act on what they beleive. That is bigotry. It is no different, than a church goer supporting this "lack of taxation" because he believes homosexuality to be unjust.

This is another example of how propaganda has brain washed the majority. One cannot even state an opposing oppinion to the one you have been programmed with and not eventually receive an onslaught of accusations.

 

[TenPenny]

"dictating that all of society should live by what they perceive as just" is imposing their beliefs?

So you are claiming that, since we as a society decided some time in the 1960s that we needed to treat people fairly and equally, now people shouldn't impose their beliefs on us by making us actually do it?

So we can't impose the belief that we shouldn't impose a belief on someone? After all, the same sex marriage thing is about NOT imposing the belief that only heterosexuals can marry.

Isn't it the Christian church who tried to impose on everyone the "do unto others as you would have them do unto you" nonsense????

 

[no1important]

Re: RE: Gay advocates fight churches' charity status

It looks like they are threatening churches though....

I think they want to stir the pot…

Stir the pot? What have most churches been doing to gays for years? Most churches do not seem to grasp the concept of equality. The problem with some churches they speak out of both sides of their mouth's. Maybe they need to re read their little dusty book again...........

 

[Gordon J Torture]

In what possible way is same sex marriage threatening or damaging to heterosexuals?

The definition of marriage is: The legal union of a man and woman as husband and wife.

If gay people want to be gay, let them. If they want to live together and have families, let them I don't care. But when it comes down to changing the definition of a word that was created by the same religious beleifs they consider "bigotry", that is going too far.

It is threatening not only to heterosexuals, but to humankind collectively. It is outright threatening to the concept of logic!

So we can't impose the belief that we shouldn't impose a belief on someone? After all, the same sex marriage thing is about NOT imposing the belief that only heterosexuals can marry.

A Belief that everyone have the same quality of life is relevent. A belief that everyone be treated fairly is relevent. But a belief that it is acceptable to change the definition of a word only so a man and a man can have the same peice of paper that a man and a woman have, is ridiculous! It is just a piece of paper. They can buy eachother rings, have their own little ceremonies, who cares, as long as they are not missing out on employment opportunities or being subjected to violence because of their sexuality. Those are the important issues. not a piece of paper.

 

[TenPenny]

Q:In what possible way is same sex marriage threatening or damaging to heterosexuals?

A:The definition of marriage is: The legal union of a man and woman as husband and wife.
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And still I ask, in what way is it threatening? You make a claim, but you don't explain.

By the way, that's ONE definition of marriage. I'd venture to say the word "marriage" predates the Christian church, so your comment that somehow it is threatening to redefine a word created by certain religious beliefs is wrong....the word predated those religious beliefs.

 

[Vanni Fucci]

No actually it was from www.aidswillgetthemintheend.org

Hmmm...another bigot that believes that AIDS only affects homosexuals...

Where does the evangelical christian right-wing neoconservative movement find these people, I wonder... 8O

 

[Jay]

It can be perceived to be a threat to the nuclear family.

 

[Gordon J Torture]

I'd venture to say the word "marriage" predates the Christian church, so your comment that somehow it is threatening to redefine a word created by certain religious beliefs is wrong....the word predated those religious beliefs.

I did not say it was created by the Christain Church.

It's a piece of paper based on a religion. If they don't like it, they can make their own religion without the piece of paper. Who cares? ... It's violence and equal opportunity for all that matter, not this crap.

You make a claim, but you don't explain

Actually, I did explain, it just seems you didn't read past the first sentence.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Gay advocates fight c

The concept of marriage predates all of today's religions, so religion does not get a say on who marries who outside the confines of their churches. Besides, some churches allow gay marriage and by making it illegal you are discriminating against those churches.

 

[Gordon J Torture]

I can't help but find it funny, how I am considered here to be "extreme left", yet it seems most of my beliefs other than financial gain being a form of meritocracy, lean more to the right.

... Interesting ... Lack of CONFORMITY perhaps? .. Naw, im just wrong eh? HA

 

[dave s]

No actually it was from www.aidswillgetthemintheend.org

Hmmm...another bigot that believes that AIDS only affects homosexuals...

Where does the evangelical christian right-wing neoconservative movement find these people, I wonder... 8O

It’s Roman Catholic FYI

And here’s some info from Public Health Agency of Canada



Over 70% of all AIDS diagnoses in Canada in adults over the age of 15 up to June 2004 were in homosexual men (13,019
out of 19,238). 60% of all positive HIV tests are found in homosexual men. This contrasts with just over 15% of all positive HIV
tests which are due to heterosexual contact. (Public Health Agency of Canada. HIV and AIDS in Canada. November 2004).