Me i'm actually in grade 8 and it's kind of boring now but in grade 6 i didn't mind because u didn't have to feel imbarrassed to be talking about it like if you were a girl and you lived with your single dad (yikes!) That's when stuff like this is alright and i know that it's offending to some people but i think they should start sex.ed maybe in grade 9 or later because it's a little shocking when you're like in grade 6 and all of a sudden you have to learn this stuff. I think the bad part is when they teach it in a co.ed. class now that's embarrasing!
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If you are referring to what Dave just said, I agree. There is nothing wrong teaching about homosexual activity in sex ed, although like stated above, perhaps when children are a few years older.
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Not to mention silly. Grade six kids already have a fair idea about what constitutes sex...same sex, different sex, whatever...sex. They aren't living in a vacuum and we have, like it or not, a highly sexualized society because we like to sell stuff and nothing sells like sex.
The question becomes what are you protecting them from. How is gay sex any worse than straight sex? If you protect them from sex, aren't just endangering them in the ong run? STDs and unwanted pregnancies are disturbingly high among the "abstinence" crowd because they have been kept ignorant about safer sex. They don't know enough to protect themselves when the time comes.
Gay or straight, keeping kids ignorant is endangering their well being. It's tantamount to child abuse.
Not to mention silly. Grade six kids already have a fair idea about what constitutes sex...same sex, different sex, whatever...sex. They aren't living in a vacuum and we have, like it or not, a highly sexualized society because we like to sell stuff and nothing sells like sex.
The question becomes what are you protecting them from. How is gay sex any worse than straight sex? If you protect them from sex, aren't just endangering them in the ong run? STDs and unwanted pregnancies are disturbingly high among the "abstinence" crowd because they have been kept ignorant about safer sex. They don't know enough to protect themselves when the time comes.
Gay or straight, keeping kids ignorant is endangering their well being. It's tantamount to child abuse.
dave s said:
Yeah...because god for-f**king-bid that should allow minorities to have a say in anything... :evil:
Dave Cut the gay bashing out! you post your links or your studies, without your over the top homophobic bashing...
Canadian Press - November 17, 2004
Province urges Muslims not to remove
kids from 'anti-homophobia' classes
By Keith Leslie
TORONTO -- Ontario Premier Dalton McGuinty encouraged Muslim parents Wednesday to allow their children to attend public school classes that include teaching tolerance of gays and lesbians.
McGuinty and Education Minister Gerard Kennedy both reached out to Muslim parents who are upset about what the Toronto District School Board calls ''anti-homophobia education'' at a downtown school.
''I think it's important that all our children have the opportunity to learn about those things that distinguish one of us from the other, and that they learn to respect those differences,'' McGuinty said.
''I think the kind of society that we should all aspire to is one where we respect each other's differences.''
Controversy erupted after students at Market Lane Public School were shown videos that depicted the feelings of children who get taunted at school because their own parents are homosexuals.
Angry Muslim parents complained that their religious beliefs were getting less respect from the board than gay rights and demanded that their children be excluded on religious grounds from similar presentations in the future.
The board rejected their request Tuesday night on the grounds that allowing some students to be excluded from discussions about gay families would violate the rights of those children with same-sex parents. ''Ultimately, our civil values include respect for sexual orientation,'' Kennedy said before a cabinet meeting Wednesday.
Canadian Islamic Congress president Mohamed Elmasry said it's not just Muslim parents that are concerned because students are learning lessons about family values that differ from what they might learn at home.
''Teaching tolerance at a young age is a must,'' said Elmasry, who's also a professor at the University of Waterloo. ''But you have to balance that with the appearance that you are not promoting certain values, in this case homosexual families.''
Conservative Leader John Tory said parents ought to have been told about the videos ahead of time. He said there are ways to ensure everyone gets the message of tolerance without running afoul of anyone's religious beliefs. ''We should be able to find ways to teach that kind of mutual respect for one another without forcing people to feel they're in a position where they have to take their children out,'' Tory said.
Kennedy said schools have always been good at teaching diversity and must continue to play a major role in building a tolerant, multi-cultural society. ''I would like to encourage parents not to undermine that.'' …
Kennedy urged the board to work with the Muslim parents to address their concerns, noting that it's vitally important for all children to learn that some of their friends may have parents who are homosexuals….
http://www.canada.com/national/nati....html?id=f29d2520-05c1-4bd4-8ed7-d544a77720a7
so they were forced to send their kids to school, nice one sided system.
Province urges Muslims not to remove
kids from 'anti-homophobia' classes
By Keith Leslie
TORONTO -- Ontario Premier Dalton McGuinty encouraged Muslim parents Wednesday to allow their children to attend public school classes that include teaching tolerance of gays and lesbians.
McGuinty and Education Minister Gerard Kennedy both reached out to Muslim parents who are upset about what the Toronto District School Board calls ''anti-homophobia education'' at a downtown school.
''I think it's important that all our children have the opportunity to learn about those things that distinguish one of us from the other, and that they learn to respect those differences,'' McGuinty said.
''I think the kind of society that we should all aspire to is one where we respect each other's differences.''
Controversy erupted after students at Market Lane Public School were shown videos that depicted the feelings of children who get taunted at school because their own parents are homosexuals.
Angry Muslim parents complained that their religious beliefs were getting less respect from the board than gay rights and demanded that their children be excluded on religious grounds from similar presentations in the future.
The board rejected their request Tuesday night on the grounds that allowing some students to be excluded from discussions about gay families would violate the rights of those children with same-sex parents. ''Ultimately, our civil values include respect for sexual orientation,'' Kennedy said before a cabinet meeting Wednesday.
Canadian Islamic Congress president Mohamed Elmasry said it's not just Muslim parents that are concerned because students are learning lessons about family values that differ from what they might learn at home.
''Teaching tolerance at a young age is a must,'' said Elmasry, who's also a professor at the University of Waterloo. ''But you have to balance that with the appearance that you are not promoting certain values, in this case homosexual families.''
Conservative Leader John Tory said parents ought to have been told about the videos ahead of time. He said there are ways to ensure everyone gets the message of tolerance without running afoul of anyone's religious beliefs. ''We should be able to find ways to teach that kind of mutual respect for one another without forcing people to feel they're in a position where they have to take their children out,'' Tory said.
Kennedy said schools have always been good at teaching diversity and must continue to play a major role in building a tolerant, multi-cultural society. ''I would like to encourage parents not to undermine that.'' …
Kennedy urged the board to work with the Muslim parents to address their concerns, noting that it's vitally important for all children to learn that some of their friends may have parents who are homosexuals….
http://www.canada.com/national/nati....html?id=f29d2520-05c1-4bd4-8ed7-d544a77720a7
so they were forced to send their kids to school, nice one sided system.
Umm, unless it's a private Muslim school, their religious beliefs should not be getting any more respect than ANY GROUP OF PEOPLE'S RIGHTS. Nor should any other religion be given priority outside of their own church.
Re: RE: Gay advocates fight c
I guess you never read the news...here's a start for the abstinance program:
abstinance 1
abstinance 2
Anyways without educating about sex period then we'll be back to the good ol days where holding hands will get you pregnant. That's what the education is about, since diseases are involved everyone should be aware before they jump in the fire.
dave s said:
abstinance 1
abstinance 2
Gordon J Torture said:
What about childrens holidays; Santa, Easter Bunny. A lot of that stuff was removed from school. My daughters school didn't permit dressing up for Halloween (although I forget why
).I actually don't think it's fair how public schools prioritize christain holidays, and even pagan holidays. I mean common, Halloween is a pagan holiday and so is Groundhog day which the schools get kids to do drawings of and such.
In order for Christmas holidays to be fair in public schools, they also need holidays for the days of significance in every major religion.
My highschool actually accepted the idea that people of certain religions can have their certain holidays off without it counting as absences. However, only the people of that religion got those days off, and everyone else was pissed off as a result. It caused segregation.
Either all major religions need to be respected equally, or none of them should be acknowledged at all. And certainly, the religious beliefs of one religion should not interefere with content of information in public schools.
Said1 said:Gordon J Torture said:
What about childrens holidays; Santa, Easter Bunny. A lot of that stuff was removed from school. My daughters school didn't permit dressing up for Halloween (although I forget why
Well it's Christmas and Easter and that’s only a predominately christen religious holiday but it’s been on the books for so long the only way the can get rid of it is change the name, so it doesn’t offend anybody.
But when it’s 85% of the religions in Canada that oppose the SSM and teachings in school it’s going to be hard to avoid that when the masses speak up.
It’s all fine to teach about things but when it’s against your faith’s tenets what do you do about that. Just ignore it and or them.
Re: RE: Gay advocates fight c
What comprehensive sex ed program in texas do they have to compair it to? Oh right. None.
We don't even get a chance to try the alternative.
Heres my own research.
In middle school I was friends with 5 girls. They recieved NO sex ed except for the bull program at school. My mom taught me about why wehave sex (pleasure and procreation) about birth control, about testing, and about what to do if pregnancy occurs.
2 of those friends have children and arnt even 20 yet.
one has been treated for syphillus twice.
One is std and baby free and recieved comprhensive sex ed from me.
and one is a virgin.
Looks like its working :/
That speaks volumes, maybe a proof read before you paste.
Jo Canadian said:dave s said:
I guess you never read the news...here's a start for the abstinance program:
abstinance 1
abstinance 2
Anyways without educating about sex period then we'll be back to the good ol days where holding hands will get you pregnant. That's what the education is about, since diseases are involved everyone should be aware before they jump in the fire.
What comprehensive sex ed program in texas do they have to compair it to? Oh right. None.
We don't even get a chance to try the alternative.
Heres my own research.
In middle school I was friends with 5 girls. They recieved NO sex ed except for the bull program at school. My mom taught me about why wehave sex (pleasure and procreation) about birth control, about testing, and about what to do if pregnancy occurs.
2 of those friends have children and arnt even 20 yet.
one has been treated for syphillus twice.
One is std and baby free and recieved comprhensive sex ed from me.
and one is a virgin.
Looks like its working :/
That speaks volumes, maybe a proof read before you paste.
Dave , we will never be able to force every parent to be as good as your mother may be. As a result, we must attempt to compensate for that in our schools.
I never figured out why people are opposed to sex ed.
"Sex education seeks both to reduce the risks of potentially negative outcomes from sexual behaviour like unwanted or unplanned pregnancies and infection with sexually transmitted diseases, and to enhance the quality of relationships. It is also about developing young people's ability to make decisions over their entire lifetime. Sex education that works, by which we mean that it is effective, is sex education that contributes to this overall aim."
"Sex education seeks both to reduce the risks of potentially negative outcomes from sexual behaviour like unwanted or unplanned pregnancies and infection with sexually transmitted diseases, and to enhance the quality of relationships. It is also about developing young people's ability to make decisions over their entire lifetime. Sex education that works, by which we mean that it is effective, is sex education that contributes to this overall aim."