Gasoline cheaper than water - reject free trade?? {Latin Am.

[Karlin]

Yes it is true, gas is merely 50cents a liter, cheaper than bottled water, in Venezueala. They are showing us we could have it too, perhaps just a bit more since our production costs are higher here, a little.

Evidence in News stories:
Oil prices would be stable if not for Bush
http://www.mercopress.com/Detalle.asp?NUM=7855

Energy crisis? Venezuela gas is cheaper than water" -
http://tinyurl.com/zf6jx


Morales urges Latin American countries to kill FTA with U.S." =
http://tinyurl.com/z62ma

"Latin America wrestles with Big Oil"

As record commodity prices translate into staggering profits for Big Oil, many producing nations, including some of the United States' largest suppliers in Latin America, are eyeing the industry's swelling coffers and deciding that more of those riches should stay at home.

http://tinyurl.com/lcs3q

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K - Canada could surely have it's own energy independance too, with only just a very few Elite Wealthy Canadians losing out and the rest of us gaining. If government was actually on our side, not the corporate Elites side, this is what would have happened long ago.

Its no longer enough to simply say the National Energy Program was hated in western Canada... at these prices, for oil and for gasoline, we all hate the situation and we are all paying thru the nose for that Elite gift.

Latin America is doing it right. Conditions there ALLOW for a populist government, but not in Canada. The conditions here are still heavily in favour of corporatists.

But even in Latin America, there are still places that are under the gun of corporate domination, such as Ecuador:
"Oxy Unraveling Ecuador Govt"

Tuesday, the government had to deal with a first warning, when thousands of people from the Amazon descended on the capital, Quito, to demand that the contract with Oxy, polluter and violator of 30 national regulations, be allowed to expire

http://tinyurl.com/gz9c3

k - what this means is that OXY corporation has had the Ecuador government in its back pocket for awhile now, but the people see this and are demanding that both Oxy corp and their current government get out.

When will Canadians see that the same situation exists here? We will all be better off, and indeed our survival [global warming, WW3] is and when we get out from under the domination of these Elite Wealthy people and their corporatism.

Karlin

Edit- the /url should be at the end of a link if you are using tags. Easiest is just to put the link in without url tags. It will automatically format itself. Use your edit function to see how the links are now. I did the first one with tags and the rest without - Kreskin

 

[Karlin]

Re: Gasoline cheaper than water - reject free trade?? {Latin

Why don't those links work?
- only the first one does, but the Tiny URLs do not seem to work...

did I do it wrong?
did you? [lol]

K

 

[darkbeaver]

RE: Gasoline cheaper than

We will have to go to war with Alberta and liberate our Albertan brothers and sisters and Nationalize OUR oil for the good of Canada, all the pipes should run west to east, phuck Uncle Sam why are we going to be the last country in the phuckking universe to wise up to the evil empire.

edit: the article should begin with, We will visit Alberta and bring them freedom and democracy, :lol:

 

[dekhqonbacha]

RE: Gasoline cheaper than water - reject free trade?? {Latin

did you know that high gas prices solve some of the problems?

like global warming. Because people will gradually switch to less consuming cars (many but not all). Hybrid cars are getting popular because of gas price.

 

[JonB2004]

RE: Gasoline cheaper than

Higher gas prices aren't solving global warming. I heard on CBC just a couple of weeks ago that people are consuming just as much as when gas prices were low. That means emmisions aren't going down.

And as for hybrid cars. Those cars are so slow that you might as well ride turtles. Nobodys going to buy those cars until they go faster.

 

[Jersay]

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Agreed Jon.

And they look like little coffins.

I do hope FTA between America and Latin America is killed. They are better off with a Latin American approach instead of an American approach. Just look at what happened to Canada.

 

[I think not]

Re: Gasoline cheaper than water - reject free trade?? {Latin

look at what happened to Canada.

What's that?

 

[Jersay]

Re: Gasoline cheaper than water - reject free trade?? {Latin

America did not respect NAFTA. Now, please don't give the example about the beer.

So in Latin America's viewpoint, if Canada has to sign a deal that is not reflective of Nafta what would they get. Beer?

 

[I think not]

Re: Gasoline cheaper than water - reject free trade?? {Latin

The US didn't respect NAFTA because of the softwood lumber, and why shouldn't I bring up beer? Are you exempt from criticism?

And more on topic, if you want to reduce your cost of gasoline, reduce your taxes from the ridiculous percentage of 40 to 50% to something more reasonable.

 

[dekhqonbacha]

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Higher gas prices aren't solving global warming. I heard on CBC just a couple of weeks ago that people are consuming just as much as when gas prices were low. That means emmisions aren't going down.

And as for hybrid cars. Those cars are so slow that you might as well ride turtles. Nobodys going to buy those cars until they go faster.

you should be able to distinguish between short run and long run in the economy. It takes a little while so people change their behavior.

Many people, including me, are hoping that conflicts in midle east will be solved and gas prices go down.

Meanwhile, hybrid cars, and other sources of less poluand energy is being discovered.

you should be patiant with it.

 

[LittleRunningGag]

Re: Gasoline cheaper than water - reject free trade?? {Latin

Yes it is true, gas is merely 50cents a liter, cheaper than bottled water, in Venezueala.

You know, I never thought of it like that. Really, gas is cheaper than water. Even in Canada. Look at it, last night I filled up for 1.015/L. You can't get bottled water, except in bulk, for that price.

Arn't we lucky to be living in a place where that is the case? Just look at Europe, some countries are paying twice what we do. What would Canadians do if gas prices were 2.000/L? I guarantee you that Canadian cities wouldn't have anywhere near the sprawl that they have.

 

[dekhqonbacha]

RE: Gasoline cheaper than water - reject free trade?? {Latin

look back in the history. 1970 th.
When OPEC was formed, they reduced production of oil, consequently price goes up (supply, demand).

What happened in North America? Until 1970th, everybody was driving huge cars. Once the price went up, and didn't come down for longer time, american and canadians switched to smaller cars: Japanese cars.

It's not a quetion of month, or a year, it might take some time.

New enery source must be approved. Then it must be suitible for everyone. And everyone should have a confidence for that energy.

imagine how long time it will take, until everything comes to a normal.

 

[Toro]

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Higher gas prices aren't solving global warming. I heard on CBC just a couple of weeks ago that people are consuming just as much as when gas prices were low. That means emmisions aren't going down.

They will consume less if oil goes to $200 a barrell.

 

[Toro]

Re: Gasoline cheaper than water - reject free trade?? {Latin

Yes it is true, gas is merely 50cents a liter, cheaper than bottled water, in Venezueala. They are showing us we could have it too, perhaps just a bit more since our production costs are higher here, a little.

Venezuela sells below cost.

Its essentially a subsidy from the state.

Many countries do that, including China, who has recently experienced sporadic gas shortages.

 

[JonB2004]

Re: Gasoline cheaper than water - reject free trade?? {Latin

They will consume less if oil goes to $200 a barrell.

No they won't. People won't consume less because they will still need to drive their cars, heat their homes, etc.

Where the hell did you get the idea that people would consume less if commodity prices were high?

 

[Toro]

RE: Gasoline cheaper than

Are you joking?

There's an old saying in commodities markets that goes like this;

"Nothing cures high prices like high prices."

It shouldn't take you long to figure that out.