Gas Prices :-(

[Reverend Blair]

It still baffles me for a couple of reasons. The first is that they profess such reverence for their founding fathers but appear to know nothing about what those men stood for. he second is that the US, more than any other nation, went through such turmoil during the cultural revolution of the sixties and stepped so directly away from this sort of thing.

For some reason the radical right is back with a vengeance though, and they are meaner than ever. It's not a product of 9-11 either. That's bullshit. 9-11 may have given them some excuses, but the reality is that the radical right has been in control and destroying people's lives since Droolin' Ronnie Rayguns first got elected.

 

[Nascar_James]

Re: RE: Gas Prices :-(

It still baffles me for a couple of reasons. The first is that they profess such reverence for their founding fathers but appear to know nothing about what those men stood for. he second is that the US, more than any other nation, went through such turmoil during the cultural revolution of the sixties and stepped so directly away from this sort of thing.

For some reason the radical right is back with a vengeance though, and they are meaner than ever. It's not a product of 9-11 either. That's bullshit. 9-11 may have given them some excuses, but the reality is that the radical right has been in control and destroying people's lives since Droolin' Ronnie Rayguns first got elected.

You are correct in that parts of the US went through a cultural revolution during the sixties, Rev. These changes occured mainly in major urban cities like Chicago, New York, LA, Detoit ...etc). States like Arizona, Texas, New Mexico, Alabama, Oklahoma, Arkansas ...etc) pretty much have remained the way they were. Aside from major changes in civil rights (and justifiably so), the cultural fabric of states in the south, deep south, south west and for the most part, mid-west are pretty much what they were before. These states want to keep their idenity and character, that is what conservatism is all about.

The expression... "The more things change, the more they remain the same" would surely be a good fit for our example here.

 

[Reverend Blair]

And how do you explain the complete ignorance of the words and wishes of your founding fathers?

 

[Ocean Breeze]

.S. cuture has become one of misplaced, dewy-eyed optimism; they have this arrogant self-belief in their own greatness; the unquestioning love of country (right or wrong) and, of course, God Bless America (which isn't a plea, so much as a statement). Appeal to these shallow instincts and you can't go wrong.

The point is, of course, this is all faith-based - they prefer to remain ignorant: they aren't prepared to question anything, since the mere act of questioning causes the faith fairy to disappear.

VERY well stated. !! Cudos

 

[Nascar_James]

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And how do you explain the complete ignorance of the words and wishes of your founding fathers?

Well, we do have liberty and justice for all citizens. It is the American way.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

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And how do you explain the complete ignorance of the words and wishes of your founding fathers?

Well, we do have liberty and justice for all citizens. It is the American way.

Which "America" do you live in??? Must be a far cry from the N.Orleans "America"....


(btw: the US is not the only country that values liberty and justice for its citizens. With due respect.......you should get out more........as in out of the US..)

 

[Reverend Blair]

You don't have liberty and justice, James. You have the highest incarceration rate in the world. You have people being held without trial. You have the Patriot Act that takes away constitutional rights. You have institutionalised racism. You have leaders incapable of keeping church and state separate.

Those are all the kind of things that your founding fathers warned against, spoke out against, and fought your Revolutionary War against. They spoke of founding a shining city on the hill, a place where oppressed people could come and be free. Your leaders have taken that and turned it into a stinking slum in the gutter, a place where only the wealthy count.

 

[peapod]

and that's before the morning java eh rev :lol:

 

[Reverend Blair]

Not only that, but I have a king-sized hang-over this morning, Pea.

 

[moghrabi]

hmmmm ... maybe it's time to get rid of my super duty F-350 pick-up truck...get a mini cooper instead...heh heh heh...definitely an eye stopper...

hmmmmm.... maybe it is time to get rid of your super duty-less F-UCK criminal president who is causing all of this to you and all of us.

 

[DoubleWitt]

In the Montreal area prices vary somewhat - I've seen $1.43/liter - and that's a little insane...! It doesn't only affect my car's gas tank fill up charge but it also has a major impact in all facets of life in general... it's a killer - but I'm not dead yet! Here's a quick list of some of the consequences:
-your gas tank
-airfare
-hotels/motels
-restaurants
-any kind of a store
-any kind of a show
-any kind of transport
-any and all merchandise distribution
-it costs a lot to distribute them thousands or millions of bicycles so the prices will be pedaled upwards pretty high - high on gasoline - you know what I mean...?!
-and just about everything else you can think of that you would like to do... really, the sky's the limit...
Are we riding on the gasline? If they took that away, goodness, where would we be...?
It's a good thing I don't need gasoline to run my computer or else I wouldn't be DoubleWitt anymore, - I'd be UnderWitt - living 3000 miles below gasoline charges - good grief - I can't stand the smell of this anymore.
I'm standing in the consumer ring - so far, I can handle the gas punch - but how many more to go...? Who knows what I'll look like then. Almost everything I do involves that precious little drop of gasoline power charge...!! Do you see me crawling on hands and knees towards that gas pump in mad desparation for that rare little drop? That day might come...

Thirsty for gas,
DoubleWitt :roll:

 

[Reverend Blair]

You should buy one of those little scooters, DoubleWitt. ;-)

The question we should be asking is why we are so tied to gasoline. Most of our major cities have public transit that sucks. There is little passenger rail service in Canada, although it used to be a major form of transportation. Most of our cities make travel by bicycle or even on foot as difficult as possible. Our insurance companies, even the ones owned and operated by provincial governments, do not give rebates for driving fuel efficient vehicles. In fact motorcycles, one of the most fuel efficient types of vehicle, are outrageously expensive to insure.

It's time for all three levels of government to find ways to give us options so that we aren't so dependent on gasoline.

 

[DoubleWitt]

Can I plow through the snow on one of those fancy 2-wheelers? Or would it be useful enough to roll on ice - as a magnificent ice cracker! Listen slipwitt, I need to get to work...! What kind of 2 wheel traction can I rely on in strong rainfall storms? Anyways, you're right, the gov is really not on-the-ball with transport issues. Maybe I can use a hang glider - you know, one of those flying strudels... no gas needed. Do you think together we could devise a plan...? That's fuel for thought, isn't it? Well, if we quit dependancy on gas then we'll need to depend on something else - right?

Depending on...
DoubleWitt :roll:

 

[Reverend Blair]

We'll always need to depend on something, but our insistence on being able to walk to our garages and drive a huge, gas-guzzling vehicle no matter what the weather is has got to come to an end. It's bad for the environment, bad for our pocketbooks, and leads to unhealthy lifestyles.

You live in Montreal. You get the same six months of reasonable weather every year as I do here in Winnipeg and I'm trying to talk Mrs. Rev into getting a scooter.

The biggest difference is that you have at least some mass transit available. Busses in Winnipeg suck in general, and we have no light rail at all. Out where I am even the bus service is non-existent.

You also have the ability to buy beer in your local confectionary...I had to run to the off sale just now which required taking a car. If they sold beer at the Esso around the corner, I could have walked.

At least I don't have to commute to work though. I work out of my house. That's something that should be encouraged in our business community.

I don't think the hang glider idea is too practical though. It might be okay in the downtown area where there are high buildings to leap off of, but you'd have a hell of a time getting airborne in my part of the city.

 

[DoubleWitt]

I agree, we need to make some changes.
I guess we'll have to guzzle something else, eh?
Let's do the guzzle, or let's do the twist!
Either way, we need solutions quick - ofcourse, that's too much for our govs. By the way, public transport in the Montreal region is nothing to brag about. Trust me. We might have some advantages but you might have others...and yet, we still have the same problem. Over the past few years, I made serious observations and realized that almost every automobile is a single-driver vehicle affair - people don't care for public transport - we actually don't have a choice unless you want to sit on the bus or train piled 3-high. All public transport (highways and byways and railways) in the region was planned in the dark ages with a very little population - and obviously, they didn't stop to think that the population would ever increase - nitwits. That's too much to think about, ofcourse.

DoubleWitt :roll:

 

[Nascar_James]

hmmmm ... maybe it's time to get rid of my super duty F-350 pick-up truck...get a mini cooper instead...heh heh heh...definitely an eye stopper...

hmmmmm.... maybe it is time to get rid of your super duty-less F-UCK criminal president who is causing all of this to you and all of us.

Typical lefty solution, always blaming the right. Looks like you are in worst shape thou. High taxes and high fuel prices. You need look no further than Martin for the high taxes. I would sure as hell pay a little more for my gas than higher taxes, no contest.

 

[Reverend Blair]

So you think it's okay to leave a massive, uncontrolled debt as a legacy to your children then, James?

 

[Nascar_James]

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So you think it's okay to leave a massive, uncontrolled debt as a legacy to your children then, James?

Of course not Rev. We have the means and capability to eliminate the debt. Just now is not the right time, but it will happen.

Example: If you purchase a home and the interest on your home is hypothetically completey tax deductible. Let's also say hypothetically you had the money to cash out your new home. Say this money is now on average making say 15% for you in various investments. Will you use this money to pay off your house? Of course not. That would be madness. You would deliberately be cutting off a source of income for no reason.

 

[Jo Canadian]

 

[missile]

Did anyone see that neat little all electric sports car on Discovery the other night? 0 to 100 in a few seconds and costing only 300 grand.