G-8 Summit-Scotland

HOCK

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I'm not sure how the rest of you feel however...over the years the wealthier nations have pumped money into the poor countries and to date, nothing has changed. This money never seems to make it to the proper people and is always stuck in government hands or red tape. If our governments are so willing to commit some money money to the poor nations, why is it so hard to get funds out of them when similar problems exists in our own country. Homeless, health, children starving, jobs, etc....we don't have to look to Africa to find this, its in our own back yard. Should we not look after our own first????
 

Reverend Blair

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I'm not sure how the rest of you feel however...over the years the wealthier nations have pumped money into the poor countries and to date, nothing has changed. This money never seems to make it to the proper people and is always stuck in government hands or red tape. If our governments are so willing to commit some money money to the poor nations, why is it so hard to get funds out of them when similar problems exists in our own country. Homeless, health, children starving, jobs, etc....we don't have to look to Africa to find this, its in our own back yard. Should we not look after our own first????

The governments of the G-8 have propped up the corrupt governments and insisted on the terms that have kept those countries poor though, Hock. In addition, policies such as farm subsidies and trade deals that favour multinational corporations over local business work to keep developing nations under the thumb of the rich, northern nations.

Many of those policies are the same ones, or are related to, the policies that cause our domestic problems. US ag subsidies, for instance, have devastated family farms in the US and Canada as well as keeping farmers in the developing world poor. Trade deals encourage a race to the bottom that undermines wage and benefit levels here while encouraging sweatshops and child labour in the developing world.

It runs through most of what we do...phamaceutical prices, arms sales, computers, automobiles. The policies that are hurting people in the developing world are also causing poverty here at home.
 

Ocean Breeze

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Bush Advises Blair Not to Expect Special Treatment at G-8 Summit
Officials Cite Progress Toward Accord on Climate Change

Reuters
Tuesday, July 5, 2005; Page A10

LONDON, July 4 -- President Bush told British Prime Minister Tony Blair to expect no favors at this week's Group of Eight summit of major industrialized countries in return for backing the war in Iraq. Blair, who has made tackling global warming and relieving African poverty the goals of his year-long presidency of the G-8, will host fellow leaders at the Gleneagles Hotel in Scotland from Wednesday to Friday.

"I really don't view our relationship as one of quid pro quo," Bush told Britain's ITV1 television in an interview. "Tony Blair made decisions on what he thought was best for keeping the peace and winning the war on terror, as I did."



Police and protesters clash in Edinburgh, Scotland. Police said there had been 30 arrests related to protests of the G-8 summit, which opens Wednesday in Gleneagles. At least two police officers were injured, and several people fainted. (By Jeff Mitchell -- Reuters)

Reports that a last-ditch round of negotiations by G-8 officials over the weekend would result in an accord in some way recognizing the science behind global warming were bolstered by French President Jacques Chirac, who said on Sunday that the G-8 leaders were "heading toward an agreement."

A Canadian official said late Monday that there had been "significant progress" on a climate change text, while Britain's top G-8 negotiator, Michael Jay, said he sensed a desire to reach an agreement.

But Bush was cautious. Environmental experts said that, rather than risk an open rift, the eight nations had decided on an accord offering the barest minimum on global warming.

"If this looks like Kyoto, the answer is no. The Kyoto treaty would have wrecked our economy," Bush said in the interview, recorded last Wednesday and broadcast on Monday.

The other G-8 members are Germany, Italy, Japan and Russia.

Meanwhile, during a protest Monday in Edinburgh, Scotland's capital, a small group of anarchists sparked scuffles between riot police and demonstrators.

At least two police officers were injured in clashes, and several people fainted in the crush. Police said there had been 30 arrests related to the protests.

The demonstrations began peacefully as protesters, banging drums and shaking bells, marched and danced into waiting police containment cordons.

The demonstrations were part of a variety of protests that began Saturday with a 200,000-strong march through the city calling for an end to poverty in the developing world, especially Africa.

On Monday, black-clad and masked members of the Black Bloc, an anarchist group based in Germany and Scandinavia that has been prominent in protests at past G-8 summits, mingled with other demonstrators dressed as fairies and clowns.


no surprise that bush works with no quid pro quo. Wisdom dictates that one had better think twice before supporting bush in his grandiose warmongering schemes. It is a one way street.
 

shamus11

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James Bredin

Rock stars, it appears, appropriated the G8 agenda,
And we like sheep just herded along by their propaganda,
Kleptocracies in Africa demand money for their poor,
More of our GDP though what they will do with it, is obscure.

Robert Mugabe wants his money and he wants it now,
Send it by courier or he’ll cause a terrible row,
Rock concerts guys said it and that’s security enough,
Though African mismanagement and corruption is rough.

We think we’re so noble to help them out of poverty and stress,
Pictures of the dead and the dying appearing in the press,
And we nod our heads in unison as though on command,
As we march to the drum beat of Sir Bob’s rock and roll band.

Just don’t talk about corruption and concentrate on AIDS,
Don’t mention Darfur, religion or the government killing raids,
Concentrate on nice left wing media newspapers and sources,
Don’t ever mention the huge African unused resources.

There’s no need to send money because Bob can borrow from abroad,
And when foreign debts are forgiven it’s really not a fraud,
Undesirable people trucked far away from the city,
Decision he made while sitting in a communist committee.

Bob Mugabe in Zimbabwe wants to keep his streets clean,
With bulldozers and machine guns he can be quite mean,
The African Union says they have a problem with corruption,
But it’s no reason to stop the money coming or cause disruption.

Have we all gone completely mad with pride and charity?
Afraid to see that we’re being led by their popularity,
Moving along like a flock of sheep with a herd mentality,
No referendums, no recall, out of touch with reality.

Don’t ever wonder how all those corruption dollars were spent,
Armies and guns cost lots and so do politicians who are bent,
Just pay your taxes and Ottawa bureaucrats will do the rest,
You’ll never miss half the GDP-GST they say with jest.

Tuesday, July 05, 2005
http://jamesbredin.proboards46.com/index.cgi?board=general
 

Reverend Blair

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Wow, do you write those poems yourself, James, or do the mind-control people send them to you in your dreams?

You might want to spend at least a little time learning facts. It's kind of fun and might inspire a varying meter or rhyme pattern. It might also cause you to tell the truth. That's what poetry is supposed to be about, after all...truth.
 

Toro

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Reverend Blair said:
It runs through most of what we do...phamaceutical prices, arms sales, computers, automobiles. The policies that are hurting people in the developing world are also causing poverty here at home.

How do computers and automobiles cause poverty?
 

Reverend Blair

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More like they feed on it, Toro. Why are you asking me though? It's not like like you believe what I tell you anyway, so go look it up for yourself. Google works.

I'll give you some hints though...toxic waste and wiring harnesses. We won't get into the black Fords that the death squads use...at least not yet. ;-)
 

Said1

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Re: RE: G-8 Summit-Scotland

Reverend Blair said:
Wow, do you write those poems yourself, James, or do the mind-control people send them to you in your dreams?

You might want to spend at least a little time learning facts. It's kind of fun and might inspire a varying meter or rhyme pattern. It might also cause you to tell the truth. That's what poetry is supposed to be about, after all...truth.

Does that guy EVER respond?
 

Toro

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Re: RE: G-8 Summit-Scotland

Reverend Blair said:
More like they feed on it, Toro. Why are you asking me though? It's not like like you believe what I tell you anyway, so go look it up for yourself. Google works.

I'll give you some hints though...toxic waste and wiring harnesses. We won't get into the black Fords that the death squads use...at least not yet. ;-)

Here I was, just feeling guilty about wasting time on the net, but instead, I'm responsible for grinding the boot of poverty and death on so many. Sh!t, I just went and bought a new computer too. A Viao for $200 at CompUSA too! Fully loaded at a 6 hour sale! Ah, it was worth it.
 

Ocean Breeze

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I think not

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Ocean Breeze said:
I think not said:
Ocean Breeze said:
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1120646047011_37/?hub=TopStories

protestors turn peaceful.........but for how long.? Hope this event goes off without too many major incidents.

:? Protestors turn violent you mean :?:

NO, the Scots gov't was going to try to stop all protests , after some violence occurred. Then the protests turned peaceful.


(nice try, but no cigar.. :wink:

"The Associated Press reports that a group of as many as 200 people threw stones at police and smashed car and shop windows, as they tried to approach Gleneagles from the campsite in Stirling that's become the temporary headquarters of thousands of protesters.

There are reports nine police officers were taken to hospital, and as many as 60 people arrested in the clashes."

I see what you mean, they came in violent and then turned more violent and eventually peaceful? :D
 

Ocean Breeze

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I see what you mean, they came in violent and then turned more violent and eventually peaceful?
:lol: :lol: :lol:

don't cha ever get dizzy from your own spin??? :wink:
 

Ocean Breeze

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I think not said:
Ocean Breeze said:
I see what you mean, they came in violent and then turned more violent and eventually peaceful?
:lol: :lol: :lol:

don't cha ever get dizzy from your own spin??? :wink:

Not really, I'm still an apprentice at it. :wink:
:lol: :lol:

let me know, when you go professional.. :wink: