Well then you can probably take some comfort in the fact that a lot of statistics on religion include people who have pasts with that religion (ie, it says they're Muslim or Catholic on their birth certificate, or they're from a 'Muslim' country), but aren't necessarily religious at all.
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Well then you can probably take some comfort in the fact that a lot of statistics on religion include people who have pasts with that religion (ie, it says they're Muslim or Catholic on their birth certificate, or they're from a 'Muslim' country), but aren't necessarily religious at all.
Whoever the US is at war against next I suppose?
But no... it couldn't be that we're all swallowing a bunch of anti-Islam propaganda just like people used to swallow anti-communist propaganda... could it? No... surely not.
I do actually. People don't immigrate to Canada so they can make it like their homes otherwise they would just stay home. They are usually escaping their homes and hope for something new like wealth or freedom from something. It seems to me this offers some protection.
Although I do not believe in secularism, religion has become a big business on a pyramid structure the cap on the top, is enjoying a better standard of living on the backs of the gullible, Roles Royse’s, mansions, Lear Jets, nothing but a phony world with an idolatrous eye. For these obvious reasons the Church has failed miserably in teaching the massage of spirituality.
As time goes by and the human mind gets more educated with the realities and the unanswered questions of theology, religion may find it self at a tuff spot trying to regain it worshiper base.
The Church has grown to have more power then the tax department; they never pay tax, all untaxed cash….
A total broad day light robbery.
As time goes by and the human mind gets more educated with the realities and the unanswered questions of theology, religion may find it self at a tuff spot trying to regain it worshiper base.
The Church has grown to have more power then the tax department; they never pay tax, all untaxed cash….
A total broad day light robbery.
He's amazed that a Muslim could become a doctor, next he'll be telling you those doctors are good role models for the third world. The economy dictates how many children you can afford no matter where you live or who you are same as always.
We can't afford to have children we have to save the bankers and the wealthy.
Numbers don't lie but what I find funny is the notion that Islam is somehow more dangerous than Christianity.
I have observed that wealth creates a low birth rate. For example we don't need children to work the farm or look after us in our old age. Really people aren't having children because they can afford not to. The same thing will happen to Muslims that move here.
Yeah, but there a many Muslims who are doctors. If someone comes from an Arab, Desi, or Persian background and isn't either a doctor, engineer, or something that's 'professional', then their family is going to "raise hell" about it.
So I don't understand why you, SirJosephPorter, would put an emphasis on a Muslim being a doctor; I guess either you were innocently using it to describe your friend, or it was a sort of Freudian slip, showing that you don't know that much about Muslims at all.
Edit: I don't think that's quite correct, Scott Free. The countries with the highest birthrates in the world are often the poorest ones. So that proves that people who can't afford to have kids still do, but they often end up dying younger than those in wealthy or developing countries do, due to lack of proper healthcare, and poverty in general. In Islam, there is the concept of 'rizq' (transliterated Arabic word), in which Muslims put their faith in Allah Ta 'Ala to provide for them and their families. Doing anything to kill children, babies, or even unborn fetuses is prohibited (except in cases of the pregnancy threatening the mother's life - but the fetus has to be less than 40 days old, which is the point at which the soul is breathed into the body). Many Muslims take this seriously, but not necessarily all those who immigrate to the West. Many people who call themselves Muslim who immigrate to Canada alone are very secular in their mindset, so the warning from the Qur'an to avoid avoiding children would not weigh heavily on their minds.
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you're right....it's not because they can't afford it, it's the me, me, me mentality.
Yes there is truth to that in the west at least. They think they can afford not to thats for sure instead of family they expect thier investments to be there when they are old what a sad ****ing thing to choose gold over kin.
Some people "opt-out of the gene pool" after a child or two, so
that they can give a good (financially stable) life to a few kids
instead of an impoverished existence to many-many children.8O
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that they can give a good (financially stable) life to a few kids
instead of an impoverished existence to many-many children.8O
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The propaganda I spoke of would be that we're going to lose our own freedom of religion because we granted Muslims theirs, as the OP suggested. The numbers don't lie, but, the idea of their motive sure can, especially, as you say, when it makes stupid assumptions that they are somehow a 'worse' religion.
It's funny isn't it? The Indigenous people lost their freedom of religion to Christian invaders (as have so many others) so the Christians really do know its possible and perhaps, at some level, it's even justice they fear. Maybe that's why they assume Muslims would be as brutal?
Incidentally, I remember conservatives making a similar argument. Their argument is made gleefully, not sorrowfully. Apparently there is statistical evidence to show that conservatives have more children than liberals, that birth rate among liberals is much lower than among conservatives.
So the argument here is that in a generation or so, most of the liberals will die out and an overwhelming majority of people will be conservatives, that liberalism will be dead and buried forever.
They wish. Anyway, if both the predictions are true, then in a generation or so, there will be a Muslim majority and a conservative minority, with no liberals around. Good luck to them both.
So the argument here is that in a generation or so, most of the liberals will die out and an overwhelming majority of people will be conservatives, that liberalism will be dead and buried forever.
They wish. Anyway, if both the predictions are true, then in a generation or so, there will be a Muslim majority and a conservative minority, with no liberals around. Good luck to them both.
It sounds to me like you are one of those that is "fearing" the "muslim hordes"
BTW....Christianity didn't bring in the Dark Ages...man did, using Christianity as his club. If it wasn't Christianity it would be something else. People like you use "religion" as YOUR cop out for humanity. Mankind is capable of very horrendous things, including using religion as a cop out so that the fingers don't point at him.
Good day to you SJP, they would deserve each other so rightly.....:smile:
If I am not mistaken SJP, in the past there has been more Conservatives who became Liberal then Liberals who have become Conservatives.
It is reasonable to be cautious of any religious hoard. Hoards in general should be taken seriously really.
I don't think that is true.
The future of religion depends on truth in education. Spirituality must not be allowed to wallow in mere religion which of course trys to standardize and monopolize a dynamic natural atribute that grows with awareness. Organizing the spirit leads to dogma dogma to religion religion to exclusivism exclusivism to slavery war and ruin.
Now, while I still attend church, I echo this sentiment to a HUGE degree!!!
So nicely put db.