From Watergate to Downing Street -- Lying for War

Reverend Blair

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RE: From Watergate to Dow

It's getting there. It will be fully dandy when Fox is forced to take it seriously. Pffft...like that's going to happen.

I think the rest of press will be forced to pick up on it though...pressure is building.
 

mrmom2

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First off people lets call the Downing streeet documents what they are PAPERS there not some little memo like mainstream media is selling us :x Heres a prediction for you Bush and the gang are going to turn up the heat on Koffi for the oil for food scandal and try and deflect peoples attention away from themselves :wink: I don't think this will work though at least I hope so :?
 

Ocean Breeze

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and try and deflect peoples attention away from themselves


this IS their usual "tactic" isn't it??? (albeit transparent)

By using this tactic, they continue to engender even more resentment at themselves. "they" fail to comprehend that most do not "appreciate" this kind of manipulative game playing .....or being targetted for diversional selfish purposes.

What is needed is a few more Galloways.......to resoundly , keep putting them in their place and calling their game what it is.

(diplomacy does not work with the USG :wink:
 

Ocean Breeze

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http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0617-08.htm


bush should be impeached AND prosecuted for war crimes.

( a no brainer)

but will it happen??? The story unfolds.....and the pressure is building.

the stand alone catch phrase: importance of completing the mission , does not wash......as due to all the lies , no one really knows what the "mission' really is.
 

Ocean Breeze

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http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article9174.htm

please watch the video. ( viewer discretion advised) And try to reconcile bush's words with the reality.

Hard to comprehend what "reality" bush lives in as everything he utters is such trash. ......and so far removed from truths.

He can't be THAT stupid , or can he?? Or are his speach writers pulling the "stupid" strings.?
 

Ocean Breeze

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Re: RE: From Watergate to Dow

Reverend Blair said:
I think they should call it, "The Bush War Crimes Affair."

It's much worse than Watergate was, afterall.

hi rev: the only stickler with your idea is that "they"like the suffix "gate" attached to these kinds of situations :wink:

BushWar-gate???

gotta turn on the creative juices to come up with one. :wink:


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"justifying the silence" :roll:

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[/url]http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/politics/11923099.htm More media is picking up this is...in" .....there could be some major outrage. )
 

Toro

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The thrust of the Downing Street memo isn't particularly new news. Michael Kinsley's column.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/10/AR2005061001705.html

No Smoking Gun

By Michael Kinsley

Sunday, June 12, 2005; Page B09

After about the 200th e-mail from a stranger demanding that I cease my personal coverup of something called the Downing Street Memo, I decided to read it. It's all over the blogosphere and Air America, the left-wing talk radio network: This is the smoking gun of the Iraq war. It is proof positive that President Bush was determined to invade Iraq the year before he did so. The whole "weapons of mass destruction" concern was phony from the start, and the drama about inspections was just kabuki: going through the motions.

Although it is flattering to be thought personally responsible for allowing a proven war criminal to remain in office, in the end I don't buy the fuss. Nevertheless, I am enjoying it, as an encouraging sign of the revival of the left. Developing a paranoid theory and promoting it to the very edge of national respectability takes a certain amount of ideological self-confidence. It takes a critical mass of citizens with extreme views and the time and energy to obsess about them. It takes a promotional infrastructure and the widely shared self-discipline to settle on a story line, disseminate it and stick to it.


It takes, in short, what Hillary Clinton once called a vast conspiracy. The right has enjoyed one for years. Even moderate and reasonable right-wingers have enjoyed the presence of a mass of angry people even further right. This overhang of extremists makes the moderates appear more reasonable. It pulls the center of politics, where the media try to be and where compromises on particular issues end up, in a rightward direction. Listening to extreme views on your own side is soothing even if you would never express them and may not even believe them yourself.

So, cheers for the Downing Street Memo. But what does it say? It's a report on a meeting of British Prime Minister Tony Blair and some aides on July 23, 2002. The key passage summarizes "recent talks in Washington" by the head of British foreign intelligence (identified, John Le Carre-style, simply as "C"). C reported that "Military action was now seen as inevitable. Bush wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. But intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy. . . . There was little discussion in Washington of the aftermath after military action."

C's focus on the dog that didn't bark -- the lack of discussion about the aftermath of war -- was smart and prescient. But even on its face, the memo is not proof that Bush had decided on war. It says that war is "now seen as inevitable" by "Washington." That is, people other than Bush had concluded, based on observation, that he was determined to go to war. There is no claim of even fourth-hand knowledge that he had actually declared this intention. Even if "Washington" meant actual administration decision makers, rather than the usual freelance chatterboxes, C is saying only that these people believe that war is how events will play out.

Of course, if "intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy," rather than vice versa, that is pretty good evidence of Bush's intentions, as well as a scandal in its own right. And we know now that this was true and a half. Fixing intelligence and facts to fit a desired policy is the Bush II governing style, especially concerning the war in Iraq. But C offered no specifics, or none that made it into the memo. Nor does the memo assert that actual decision makers had told him they were fixing the facts. Although the prose is not exactly crystalline, it seems to be saying only that "Washington" had reached that conclusion.

And of course Washington had done so. You don't need a secret memo to know this. Just look at what was in the newspapers on July 23, 2002, and the day before. Left-wing Los Angeles Times columnist Robert Scheer casually referred to the coming war against Iraq as "much-planned-for." The New York Times reported Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld's response to an earlier story "which reported preliminary planning on ways the United States might attack Iraq to topple President Saddam Hussein." Rumsfeld effectively confirmed the report by announcing an investigation of the leak.

A Wall Street Journal op-ed piece declared that "the drums of war beat louder." A dispatch from Turkey in the New York Times even used the same word "inevitable" to describe the thinking in Ankara about the thinking in Washington about the decision "to topple President Saddam Hussein of Iraq by force."

Poor Time magazine, with a cover date of July 22 but actually published a week earlier, had the whole story. "Sometime last spring the President ordered the Pentagon and the CIA to come up with a new plan to invade Iraq and topple its leader." Originally planned for the fall, the war was put off until "at least early next year" (which is when, in fact, it happened). Unfortunately, Time went on to speculate that because of a weak economy, the war "may have to wait -- some think forever," and concluded that "Washington is engaged more in psy-war than in war itself."

Some people you have to hit over the head. Hey, you folks at Time, why are you ignoring the Downing Street Memo?
 

Reverend Blair

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RE: From Watergate to Dow

More apologists for Bush. The Downing Street memo shows that Bush was dead set on war and that Blair was determined to go with him in spite of the lack of evidence.

Keep in mind that this memo is not a stand alone document. Both the US and Britain manufactured "proof" that was later discredited to justify their case for war.

The denials of the importance of the Downing Street memo are manipulative and disingenuous at best. The stench of war crimes coming from the Bush regime is getting too strong to ignore.
 

Toro

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RE: From Watergate to Dow

It was an issue hashed out during the election. There were all sorts of people coming forward and saying that WMD was a pretense before the vote. The American people decided and voted for Bush. Its old news in America. Its gaining no traction here. That's why the Democrats are ignoring it.
 

Ocean Breeze

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Re: RE: From Watergate to Dow

Toro said:
It was an issue hashed out during the election. There were all sorts of people coming forward and saying that WMD was a pretense before the vote. The American people decided and voted for Bush. Its old news in America. Its gaining no traction here. That's why the Democrats are ignoring it.

actually, it wasn't hashed out adequately. but it sure says a lot about a society that would want a pathological lier for their leader. (Didn't bush call SH a lier???? :roll: I guess it takes one to know one.
 

Reverend Blair

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RE: From Watergate to Dow

It is the attempts to dismiss the Downing Street Memo and the building momentum that are failing, right along with Bush's approval rating.
 

Ocean Breeze

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Re: RE: From Watergate to Dow

Reverend Blair said:
It is the attempts to dismiss the Downing Street Memo and the building momentum that are failing, right along with Bush's approval rating.


gotta wonder what bush/rove/ and the gang of liers will try to "pull off " next. Wonder too , how low the bush "ratings' have to go, before they take notice :idea: