French Election, 2017 - Official Thread

Johnnny

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Corduroy

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Question.

You being the more knowlegable one about politics than a person like me for example, i always wanted to ask.

If we changed our electoral system, how closely could it have mirrored the french system? If we changed.

Im not being condescending, you actually know more about politics than i can comprhend. :p

We would have to completely change our form of government. This vote is for the French president. Canada doesn't have presidential elections or anything equivalent to that. The Prime Minister is generally the leader of the party with the most MPs, and we don't directly vote for him/her.

However, the way we select MPs could be made to be like the way France selects a president. When the Liberals proposed changing our electoral system, their preferred system was one where you ranked candidates and although you only voted once, the effect would be similar to getting a second vote for your second favourite candidate, if your favourite didn't get in the top two. Or something like that. It's very complicated.

I think Marine Le Pen will do better than expected. She might win.

Has she taken up the mantle of God?

Whatever the case it is just one engagement in a war that will play out over the coming decades.

Is it a Holy War?
 

coldstream

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Has she taken up the mantle of God?


Is it a Holy War?
It has more to do with what works and what doesn't Corduroy. Global Free Market Capitalism, post structuralism, cultural plurism, the end of the moral nation state, a world without borders or rules, is failing on every front. And it is, in fact, an accelerating crisis that is about to get much worse.
 
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It has more to do with what works and what doesn't Corduroy. Global Free Market Capitalism, post structuralism, cultural plurism, the end of the moral nation state is failing on every front. And it is, in fact, an accelerating crisis that is about to get much worse.
Oddly, you think hypernationalism, mandatory cultural unity, and enforced "morality" will work.

Like it did 33-45.
 

coldstream

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Oddly, you think hypernationalism, mandatory cultural unity, and enforced "morality" will work.

Like it did 33-45.

Like it did post WW2 - 1945 - 1970, with full employment and integrated industrial economy, progressive taxation, fairly compensated, secure work. Before the NeoCon con job foisted Free Trade, Deregulation, Privatization, Monetarism, Regressive Taxation on us. And everything went inexorably to hell after that. It's no accident that the generation that came of age in the last 30 years is the first to be substantially poorer than their parents. And it is only going to get more desperate.
 

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France election: Macron says EU must reform or face 'Frexit'

 

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In this election, France’s traditional hard-line Left and Right parties have collapsed, being replaced by the National Front and the 39-year old Macron’s newly confected political party, ‘En Marche’, that has no presence in the National Assembly, France’s lower house of parliament.

Marine Le Pen is a very intelligent woman. She is the reincarnation of her father, Jean-Marie, whom I’ve interviewed, but with the rough edges sanded down. No more mentions of the WWII Jewish Holocaust being a ‘detail of history,’ as the old boy claimed. She is diluted far rightism. As a result, the Front’s ratings have soared: no more skin heads and hooligans. She projects maternalism and common sense blended into hard-line nationalism.

Last week, Madame Le Pen declared that ‘finance’ is a primary enemy of France. Bankers are now lumped with Muslims as dire threats to the republic. Outgoing President Francois Hollande made the same warning last year, but no one paid him any attention.

Coming from the hard-right Le Pen, it’s a bombshell. ‘Finance’ is really political code for Jews who dominate parts of France’s media, banking and industry. France has Europe’s largest Jewish population, followed by Ukraine.

Le Pen’s gun sights are trained squarely on the youthful Macron who may, it is rumored, have some Jewish background, and squarely on his former employer, the mighty French Rothschild banking empire

Today, a lot of French wonder ‘who is Monsieur Macron, and from where did he come?’ One is reminded of silver-tongued US candidate Barack Obama, who rocketed out of obscurity to become president. Who bankrolled him and blazed a political path for him? The Deep Government, no doubt.

Who then is behind Macron if not the Rothschilds? Maybe the MEDEF big business association, maybe both. Are they making sure that the awful Madame Le Pen does not win, keep some of her promises and run France into financial and political ruin? If she wins, the hard right will surely blame the ‘financiers,’ harking back to the ugly 1930’s.

Whatever the outcome, France faces a rough ride. Macron vows to lower taxes and cut civil service employment and perks. The Left vows to fight any labor and social reforms tooth and nail. Every French president since Charles De Gaulle has failed to break the power of France’s surly unions. Though not great in membership, they can shut down France’s trains, roads, airports, food logistics, and power plants with a few phone calls. Militant farmers can block roads and thwart food shipments.

France’s labor unions have been at war with the government in Paris since 1948. Unless their inordinate power is broken, no significant economic and social reforms will be possible. The big question: who do the unions dislike the most, Macron or Le Pen?

Both claim they will shake up lethargic France. But French really don’t want to be shaken up. Seventy percent still spend their five-week annual vacations in France. They know there is no finer or more beautiful nation anywhere else, even with Madame Le Pen snorting fire and brimstone, and Macron offering don’t worry be happy placebos.

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https://ericmargolis.com/2017/05/back-to-the-30s-as-france-rips-open-old-wounds/
 

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It has more to do with what works and what doesn't Corduroy. Global Free Market Capitalism, post structuralism, cultural plurism, the end of the moral nation state, a world without borders or rules, is failing on every front. And it is, in fact, an accelerating crisis that is about to get much worse.

I'm all for ending global free market capitalism, comrade Coldstream, but culturally the world is less pluralistic than it used to be, the state intervenes more in the morality of people's lives than it used to and, save the EU, borders are less porous they used to be.

Maybe your misunderstanding of the nature of the political and social order stems from your misunderstanding of post-structuralism.