Freedom Tower Construction Begins

[the caracal kid]

building a tower to oneself is not any measure of combatting terrorism.

Perhaps the US should get out of the terrorism business if it can't handle being on the receiving end of it? Perhaps if it really wanted to promote freedom it would stop acting in ways to undermine freedom and democracy.

 

[FiveParadox]

Re: RE: Freedom Tower Construction Begins

the caracal kid[/i]]building a tower to oneself is not any measure of combatting terrorism.

I think you perhaps misunderstood my post; it would be a symbolic victory, in that it would show the world that the United States had recovered from the terrorist attack and is at a point where it can be said that they can move on.

the caracal kid[/i]]Perhaps the US should get out of the terrorism business if it can't handle being on the receiving end of it? Perhaps if it really wanted to promote freedom it would stop acting in ways to undermine freedom and democracy.

Not sure how to respond to that, to be honest.

 

[Hank C]

I beleive the tallest building in the world currently is in Taiwan at 1670ft... so i guess the 1776ft freedom tower will be the tallest building on the planet.

unless of course those Asians learn about our plan and attempt to outdo us

 

[Daz_Hockey]

RE: Freedom Tower Constru

Maybe I shouldnt have mentioned it in the first place lol.

I've just been reading up on the monroe treaty...good stuff, cuts down all the problems, and freed us up to continue protecting the US from the sea lol.

But anyway.....from what I saw of the hole in the ground that was the world trade center the other month, I would suggest FIRST...get rid of those salesmen who shamelessly sell momentos outside and SECOND...call it whatever the heck you like, just do not dedicate it to George W Bush

 

[jimmoyer]

Let people be a sniffy snob about the pretensions
of a tower named Freedom.

I'm glad we're held to a higher standard than those
like Saddam or Milosovec or Osama bin Laden who
do not excite a similar passionate disdain.

You'll hear more whining about the word Freedom
than the idiocy you hear anywhere else about anybody
else.

 

[Riyko]

In my own opinion, the building of the freedom tower is just trying to cover up the whole 9/11 events and also it could be attacked again after it's been built.

 

[jimmoyer]

That's just the shallow surface, Riyko.

There's a helluva lot more depth of feeling and detail
past your initial take on the matter.

 

[the caracal kid]

Re: RE: Freedom Tower Construction Begins

the caracal kid[/i]]building a tower to oneself is not any measure of combatting terrorism.

I think you perhaps misunderstood my post; it would be a symbolic victory, in that it would show the world that the United States had recovered from the terrorist attack and is at a point where it can be said that they can move on.

the caracal kid[/i]]Perhaps the US should get out of the terrorism business if it can't handle being on the receiving end of it? Perhaps if it really wanted to promote freedom it would stop acting in ways to undermine freedom and democracy.

Not sure how to respond to that, to be honest.

building a statue to yourself does not demonstrate any ability to move on. It demonstrates an ability for land reclamation.

If you don't know how to question the terrorist activities of the US and its counter-democratic actions, look at the history of the US over the past 100 years and you should come up with plenty of material to ask about what america really is. America does not promote democracy, nor is it a true democracy.

to Jim,
I hold the US to the same level and scrutiny as any other nation. It does just about the same as the company you listed it in.

 

[Riyko]

I understand that it'll be a way for people to cope with the 9/11 events and a way for people to move on with their lives, but a building that tall. It's a building of internationalism and a way for the world to connect in the US. It's also alot more then that, but that was just my opinion on the building and building it.

 

[Daz_Hockey]

RE: Freedom Tower Constru

Obviously Bush isnt the first father/on act as president, that honor obviously goes to the Adams family (see I do read) but what they faild to, and what the Bushes have managed to do, is cover up a multitude of sins (some of the father) in not divulging just how close they were/are to the Bin Laden's in the first place,I think their attack on Iraq and the Ba'ath party was unwarrented, especially how the ba'ath party are an arab retrained version of the nazi party who despise 3 peoples: Jews/Persians (Iran/Saudi - to which Bin Laden is one/jordainians), so that blows a few of the links out the window for a start.

No, I think the building of the freedom tower is somewhat more capitalistically motivated (just like the war in iraq) than one of defiance

 

[jimmoyer]

in not divulging just how close they were/are to the Bin Laden's in the first place.
-------------------------Daz_Hockey------------------


You don't read enough, Daz_Hockey, because the bin
Laden family ain't no ordinary petite little western
family. It's the size of a small city, with even Osama
having 53 or 59 brothers.

The bin Ladens have lived a long time in Connecticut.
Long time. Almost as long as the Bush Senior's own
father.

Hell, they're in London. They're big enough to claim
the word diaspora. Parts of that family has lived
many years in other countries.

And as you know there exists disputes even inside
little Western White families. Perhaps some of your
own family has argued with each other ?

Everyone's dancing on the pin of a fact.

The Bush family never divulged this to you ?

Give me a break.

 

[Daz_Hockey]

RE: Freedom Tower Constru

lol fair point, but I think the links the bush administration tried to assert between Bin Laden and Iraq should have been blown out of the water if you read the doctrine of the Ba'ath party....but what I am saying is that the building of this tower has nothing to do with giving bin laden the finger, it has more to do with the bush family being cajolled by big business once again

 

[jimmoyer]

Bush never linked the bin Laden family to Iraq.
Never.

But I certainly do agree the Bush administration
willfully "enhanced" its case, willfully ignored the
CIA saying otherwise, willfully and falsely put the blame
on the CIA's information on the matter.

But despite all that, the rest of the world is too
stupid to focus on giving Iraq half a chance now.

That's more important.

Hang Bush all you want. That takes up all the oxygen.

Meanwhile the world has no energy or interest
to really unite on giving Iraq a chance. Hell, the world
can't even get it together on Dafur, preferring instead
to be significantly moral about Bush.


It's not as sexy an issue as hanging Bush.

And finally,

The building of this Tower, not only has nothing
to do with Bush, but is physically and metaphorically
bigger than Bush, and has been planned, discussed
and worked on, and argued over, all without Bush.

 

[Daz_Hockey]

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em, I'd like to agree with you on the point about Dafur, stuff iraq, thats where the real problems are, but what price do we pay if we interfere there, thats the problem

 

[jimmoyer]

Every country has to look at the price they pay.

They don't want to pay it for Dafur.

It's easier making no sacrifice at all when all you
have to do to gain moral righteousness is to focus
on the American Scarecrow.

 

[Daz_Hockey]

RE: Freedom Tower Constru

the American and British scarecrow

but will it be another rwanda, thats my worru



ed. I'm just down the road from winchester too lol

 

[jimmoyer]

Winchester England eh ?

That Woman Mayor from Winchster England, wearing one of those weird English
Mayor hats came to our Apple Blossom parade here
in Winchester Virginia LAST YEAR, right after some
city councilman in Winchester England got all righteous
about a Confederate insignia in the Winchester
Virginia coat of arm symbol.

She was great. She went by a standing ovation crowd
over 15 city blocks.

 

[Daz_Hockey]

RE: Freedom Tower Constru

She's not brilliant, I'd like to get a winchester rifle on her lol.

yep, winchester, england sorry lol

I would be more surprised cus winchester isnt in the state of new hampshire....cus winchester here is in the old hampshire (which, to give both their fullname is southamptonshire), but winchester here is just full of old buildings and a statue to a king who burnt the cakec, I wouldnt worry about it.

But I've got this feeling in a few years time, some bright spark in hollywood is gonna make a hotel rwanda'esqe movie about Dafur if we dont shift our backsides

 

[Johnny Utah]

Re: RE: Freedom Tower Construction Begins

In my own opinion, the building of the freedom tower is just trying to cover up the whole 9/11 events and also it could be attacked again after it's been built.

How would building the Tower be covering up the 9/11 events?

You would think there would be some kind of Ground to Air Missile Defence System for not only the Freedom Tower as it would make a very tempting target for Terrorists.

 

[I think not]

The World Trade Center was about New York.

The Freedom Tower is about New York.

I don't care what perceptions you have on the outside, but it has always been about New York.

You can contemplate the morality, philosophy and politics about it, it won't change the fact it is about New York.