Freedom from Americas grip

[jimmoyer]

Thanks Orpheus for the answer. I wanted your take
on the name and the myth, not Google's pointers or
Wikipedia.

And as far as this Chomsky debate, I find that some
of what Chomsky says is accurate in a very limited
narrow dis-spirited way.

Mark Twain went like that to a point during his
depression and financial troubles and growing older
as he wrote AROUND THE EQUATOR.

But his old spirit could not forsake the twinkle of
humor and he found a laugh or too without ridding
his jaundiced skeptical view about mankind around
the world.

Chomsky is not just rejected by Nazi jackboots. He
is rejected for his overall negativity while true in some
respects has no wide breadth of uplifting vision, no
deeper understanding that we are always more than
just his narrow slice of it all.

We really are ---all of us---more than that.

Sure, we need the naysayers, the
whistle blowers and they run their crusade like
a Baptist on a soapbox speaking of the Anger of God.

Often it is the extremists who sacrifice a part of
themselves railing at the mute universe, railing at its
dumb muteness.

Why don't we understand ???

And so they impale themselves on this obsession.

 

[orpheus]

RE: Freedom from Americas

You cannot make people compassionate, you cannot make people understand your point of view.

Well, I would disagree with that as well. I've seen people change their minds at logical debate. This doesn't happen very often but it's far from nothing.
My father often tells me that he's going to send me to the Sudan to know what real work is like. Perhaps we could do that to our young citizens...I'll bet they'd care then.

 

[darkbeaver]

RE: Freedom from Americas

Goodevening JimMoyer , what are your ideas for a better way, the universe is not mute not sterile not dead it lives it responds nor is it dumb, where have you gotten these poverty of spirit ideas.

 

[jimmoyer]

Orpheus, you give good points.

I've never felt a debate worthless because I could
not change the other person's point of view, however.

I think the truth lies in the debate itself, more often
than just one side.

That's not so mealy mouth as some complain. I see
them get disgusted by the lack of understanding
by the other side, and they throw their hands up in
despair. And I certainly get to that point.

But I like the debate, better than I like singing to
the chorus.

And as far as travel goes, it all depends on who you
are, because everywhere you go, there you are.

Travel and living in a whole other culture no doubt
can be profound. Immersion is profound.

But not tourist travel.

That really does depend on who you are.

 

[orpheus]

RE: Freedom from Americas

I too would also say that within debate is the key to discovering the truth. During debate certain questions are asked that you can't answer. These questions that you've never thought of cause you to expand your mind. Debate is neccessary so ideas can be exchanged. It is the key to innovation.

 

[jimmoyer]

Whether we DEbate or MASTURbate is immaterial
to the matter at hand.

Old zen saying.

 

[cortez]

Perhaps, just perhaps, if you looked at things from a broader perspective you might see the rediculous nature of your statement.

Now now your showing true colours. LOL

Thing I love about ostriches is that they think they're safe even as the predator bears down on them. I hear they can be tasty as well, when prepared properly.

For the record I don't agree with many US policies. I do not however consider a Nation the enemy because I disagree with an assortment of policies and politics.

By the way Laddy or are you a lassy? Walk a mile in my combat boots then we'll see if you're so full of piss and vinegar.

It's easy to yell from a soapbox, but harder to do the task. You want to tear down and lash out, but offer no alternative. Or are you simply a closet anarchist?

enough said
M

why are you full of hatred
why are you so anti-islamic, so anti chineese, so anti -latin american
what has your bigotry and hatred gotten you
nothing
what will it ever get you-
nothing but the company of lesser minds like yours

i suspect that your iq is so low that you probably have difficulty in merely reading the article that constitutes the original post in this thread--let alone understanding it
what are you suggesting....
that
latin america is NOT electing leftist leaders

that
china is NOT aligning itself with venezuela

its a simple straight forward description of some recent political re-alignments


what are you a closet fascist....

 

[sanch]

One could come up with a train load of examples from the last 40 years to shore up an argument that the American empire is on the verge of collapse. This particular Chomsky article could have been written in 1970 with many of the same examples. Chomsky’s problem is that he has not evolved. And I’ve seen him lecture. One could using this theory of alignments make the argument that the US and Iran are now converging on policy as the Iranian foreign minister has sent a delegation to Iraq to confer with the US.

As for leftist Latinos, Mexico has been electing them for the last 80 or so years, including Benito Juarez a full blood Indio. It hasn’t really helped the campesinos much. Henrique Cardoso was one of the leading leftist intellectuals in Latin America and he had to seek sanctuary in Chile under Salvador Allende. And when he was elected president of Brazil Cardoso’s policies were very centrist. If you need a source Jorge Castenda wrote a book about what happened to the leftist leadership in Latin America in the nineties. Nothing new is being reported here.

There is a danger also in seeing a spike of anti-Americanism as a sign that broader social changes are occurring in Latin America. The dictator understands the power of rhetoric and the power of diversion that accompanies a verbal attack of the US. Look at what it does to the Canadian mind--it absolutely fries it. It’s always a good idea if one’s brain starts to sizzle to inquire if there is an agenda on the part of whoever turned on the stove. And there is enough oil and gas in Canada to make the case that it is beneficial to sponsor a form of indoctrination that diverts attention from who is making a play for those resources. The Saudis were very adept at underwriting and encouraging radicalism and subtly directing it away from their own affairs. We might wonder who is being duped here.

 

[Doryman]

why are you full of hatred
why are you so anti-islamic, so anti chineese, so anti -latin american
what has your bigotry and hatred gotten you
nothing
what will it ever get you-
nothing but the company of lesser minds like yours

i suspect that your iq is so low that you probably have difficulty in merely reading the article that constitutes the original post in this thread--let alone understanding it
what are you suggesting....
that
latin america is NOT electing leftist leaders

that
china is NOT aligning itself with venezuela

its a simple straight forward description of some recent political re-alignments


what are you a closet fascist....

???
Bad acid today Cortez? I haven't read anything in that post that suggests any racist or fascist leanings? Lay off the attacks, buddy, especially the baseless ones...

IN any case, Im glad that nations are starting to take control of their own, and decided their own destiny, but I doubt this means the downfall of the US will occur before next Tuesday. America's got a long run yet. And unless things take a helluva turn for the worse down there, they're still better a top dog than China. Remember people, when you debate as to whether Iran, China, or America would make a better World leader, you have to remember that only ONE of those countries would even allow that debate to occur. Guess which one?

 

[darkbeaver]

RE: Freedom from Americas

Iran

 

[cortez]

iran
venezuala
cuba
china
ireland
france
brazil

 

[Doryman]

Re: RE: Freedom from Americas

Iran

Yeah. Go write an article for the Tehran Times about how you, as an Iranian citizen, believe America isn't so bad and should probably remain the world power for years to come. Just have your will ready when you do.

 

[cortez]

Re: RE: Freedom from Americas

Iran

Yeah. Go write an article for the Tehran Times about how you, as an Iranian citizen, believe America isn't so bad and should probably remain the world power for years to come. Just have your will ready when you do.

at least they dont kill baby seals

 

[FiveParadox]

cortez, the populations of seals in the areas affected by the annual cull are exceeding a sustainable proportion compared to the quantities of the fish stocks; if the population continues on uncontrolled, then the fish stocks will deplete or become endangered, and the hunters and fishermen in the area who depend on the fishstocks for their livelihood will be economically devastated.

This is about a balance.

 

[cortez]

iran is even poorer than we and THEY dont go around murdering these cuddlly littel things
where is your compassion

 

[Doryman]

Re: RE: Freedom from Americas grip

iran is even poorer than we and THEY dont go around murdering these cuddlly littel things
where is your compassion

I left it in the toilet alongside PETA and Paul McCartney's credibility.

 

[darkbeaver]

RE: Freedom from Americas

Hey ya said quess so I quessed, was I wrong what what tell me what was the right answer.

 

[cortez]

Re: RE: Freedom from Americas grip

iran is even poorer than we and THEY dont go around murdering these cuddlly littel things
where is your compassion

I left it in the toilet alongside PETA and Paul McCartney's credibility.

before ya flush that toilet make sure that yer central nervous system isnt floating around in there too

 

[jimmoyer]

Good post, Sanch.

In fact it bears repeating:

This is what Sanch posted ---

One could come up with a train load of examples from the last 40 years to shore up an argument that the American empire is on the verge of collapse. This particular Chomsky article could have been written in 1970 with many of the same examples. Chomsky’s problem is that he has not evolved. And I’ve seen him lecture. One could using this theory of alignments make the argument that the US and Iran are now converging on policy as the Iranian foreign minister has sent a delegation to Iraq to confer with the US.

As for leftist Latinos, Mexico has been electing them for the last 80 or so years, including Benito Juarez a full blood Indio. It hasn’t really helped the campesinos much. Henrique Cardoso was one of the leading leftist intellectuals in Latin America and he had to seek sanctuary in Chile under Salvador Allende. And when he was elected president of Brazil Cardoso’s policies were very centrist. If you need a source Jorge Castenda wrote a book about what happened to the leftist leadership in Latin America in the nineties. Nothing new is being reported here.

There is a danger also in seeing a spike of anti-Americanism as a sign that broader social changes are occurring in Latin America. The dictator understands the power of rhetoric and the power of diversion that accompanies a verbal attack of the US. Look at what it does to the Canadian mind--it absolutely fries it. It’s always a good idea if one’s brain starts to sizzle to inquire if there is an agenda on the part of whoever turned on the stove. And there is enough oil and gas in Canada to make the case that it is beneficial to sponsor a form of indoctrination that diverts attention from who is making a play for those resources. The Saudis were very adept at underwriting and encouraging radicalism and subtly directing it away from their own affairs. We might wonder who is being duped here.

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

Cortez Wrote:why are you full of hatred
why are you so anti-islamic, so anti chineese, so anti -latin american
what has your bigotry and hatred gotten you

Is that the best you can do Cortez? Call me a racist. It's the easy out and the last defense of stupidity. I'm an neither a racist or Anti-Islamic, but rest assurred that accusatory inflammatory idiocy won't scare me to silence.

I'm strong in my convictions and I respect those whose might disagree with me. But your spineless approach is pathetic.

Keep trying Cortez, but you might want to hit the pill wagon and get some perspective and focus first...........