Fractured Nation | The Pillaging of Western Canada

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Well, here we are only a few months after Halloween. Trudeau claims to be on his way out eventually, announced his intention to resign when it’s convenient for him and the liberal party, while the country waits, involuntarily

While we’re all waiting for something resembling a Team Canada approach to materialize in the looming U.S. trade-war catastrophe, let’s begin with a quick account of just how close Canada has come to failed-state status.

The House of Commons has been padlocked since Jan. 6. The successor to Canada’s disgraced prime minister will not be known until the Liberal party’s leadership vote on March 9. Within days of the House of Commons’ March 24 return, an anticipated non-confidence vote would officially dissolve Parliament, triggering an election campaign that can legally carry on for 51 days…or 39 days…or the new Liberal Leader & de facto Prime Minister might just declare this in emergency and…(it’s not like the liberals have not declared the war measures act or the emergencies act before) go off on his own tangent.

Prime Minister’s in Canada are appointed, not elected, so an unelected Mark Carney could end up being our Prime Minister in less than eight weeks…or Trudeau, if he doesn’t get his way, might just not resign, and declare an emergency (in this case this time he would declare an economic emergency), and just remain PM.

That new leader might be Mark Carney, or Chrystia Freeland, or still Justin Trudeau, & they’d be the Prime Minister.

Our prime-minister-in-waiting is Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre, but for now we’re all obliged to play along with the idea of Justin Trudeau as our PM, which is a true thing only in the strictest constitutional sense.

In the meantime, American president-elect Donald Trump has pledged to sabotage Canada’s economy by imposing a 25 per cent tariff on all Canadian exports to American markets upon his inauguration in Washington on Jan. 20.

This will immediately threaten hundreds of thousands of Canadian jobs. It won’t be until some time in May that we’ll have a genuine prime minister and a functioning Parliament, giving Trump a four-month advantage in his declared objective of exerting “economic force” to annex Canada as the 51st American state, the madhouse notion behind his pretext involving border security and drug trafficking, which Ottawa is still playing along with.

In the meantime, formulating some sort of defence falls as much to Canada’s provinces as it does to the country’s lame-duck federal government. There’s a resounding multi-partisan consensus that Trump’s grievances with Canada are concocted and contrived. That’s almost where Canadian unity ends.

A trade response would ordinarily mean retaliatory tariffs, which are constitutionally Ottawa’s prerogative, and Foreign Affairs Minister Mélanie Joly says everything should be on the table. But…

Saskatchewan Premier Scott Moe says nothing should be on the table: “Any export tariffs or restriction of products that Canadians produce and provide to anyone in the world is simply not on.”

Ontario Premier Doug Ford, head of the Council of the Federation, says those wide-open options should include shutting off energy supplies: “Depending how far this goes, we will go to the extent of cutting off their energy, going down to Michigan, going down to New York state, and over to Wisconsin.” But…

Alberta Premier Danielle Smith says that any retaliation that encumbers Alberta’s ability to sell oil and gas to American buyers would incite a “national unity crisis.” Her reasoning: “Oil and gas is owned by the provinces, principally Alberta, and we won’t stand for that. I can’t predict what Albertans would do.”

It’s in Alberta that a clear Conservative claim to the mantle of national leadership against Trump’s belligerence could easily founder. Poilievre is an Albertan, and the Conservatives out-poll the Liberals in Alberta at a wider margin than in any other province — 62.4 per cent to 12.9 per cent.

Poilievre’s response to Trump’s provocations has been measured, clear and unequivocal: “Canada will never be the 51st state. Period. We are a great and independent country. We are the best friend to the U.S.” At the same time, Poilievre has made it plain that whatever Smith or or Moe say, as prime minister he would definitely retaliate, and Canada’s energy should be on the table.

Canadian oil and gas already sells at a discount in American markets, so it makes no sense even from an American perspective to get into a tariff war, Poilievre points out: “I would say to President Trump, I will retaliate with trade tariffs against American goods that are necessary to discourage America (from) attacking our industries. I’d rather we work together, though, because if we do, we can have a bigger, stronger economy.”

Doug Ford has adopted precisely that line. So has Ottawa. Energy Minister Jonathan Wilkinson is in Washington making the case for a Canada-U.S. energy and resource alliance in the face of mounting global threats, particularly from China. But…

….but it’s not at all clear that Trump can be persuaded. “We don’t need their fuel,” Trump said last week. “We don’t need their energy. We don’t need their oil and gas. We don’t need anything that they have.”

(I don’t think that Trump understands that much of the US refining capacity is designed for Canadian heavy crude, not what much of America extracts on its own soil, but that’s a different story)

It didn’t help appearances that Smith’s travelling companion at Trump’s Mar-a-Lago resort last weekend was the reality-television investment guru Kevin O’Leary, who calls himself a Canadian when in Canada but has recently moved to Florida from Boston, the city he calls his “hometown.” O’Leary has long been advocating for some sort of North American “economic union” with a common currency and a shared Canadian-American passport.

And Smith has been lathering up her case for an Alberta oil exemption from Trump’s tariffs on the grounds that it was because of “eastern politicians” that Alberta’s hopes for the Northern Gateway pipeline to the West Coast and the Energy East pipeline to Quebec were dashed, confining Alberta’s oil and gas expansion to American buyers in the first place. It’s “outrageous” that anyone would propose retaliating against American tariffs by scaling back or shutting down American access to Alberta’s oil, she says.

That tells only half the story. The Energy East project’s profitability was based on the presumption of oil prices at $100 per barrel. TransCanada cancelled the project in 2017. As for the Northern Gateway pipeline, which would have run twinned pipes from Bruderheim, Alta. to Kitimat on the coast, at least two-thirds of B.C’s Conservative voters wanted oil tankers banned from B.C.’s north coast and the Enbridge-led project fizzled during the Harper government’s final years. The B.C. government, led by Christy Clark at the time, was against it, too.

The NDP’s Jagmeet Singh and B.C. Premier David Eby say Canada should consider blocking American access to critical minerals and other resources. B.C. Conservative Leader John Rustad says Canada should reopen trade offices in China, which is as painfully weird as Christy Clark’s claim, contradicted by the evidence of her own several public statements last year, that she’d never joined the Conservative party.

While B.C. premier, Clark signed North America’s only “Belt-and-Road” agreement with Beijing, and while her bizarre comments about her assignation with the Conservatives was what dealt her out of contention to replace Trudeau, her affection for failed Conservative leadership candidate Jean Charest, a favourite of the Chinese Communist Party, should be understood as genuine.

Lastly, as if to dispel any doubt that Trump has the market cornered on politics as infotainment, Trudeau’s personal economic adviser, Marc Carney, Team Trudeau’s pick for a successor, showed up on Comedy Central’s hipster-left The Daily Show with Jon Stewart in New York on Monday night. “I’m an outsider,” the Liberal insider’s insider told Stewart, coyly confirming his plan to take a run at it.
So here we are. It’s crazy. Will Canada, as Canada, emerge from this last decade of absolute retardedness, and in a decade still be a nation in the formal sense?
 

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Nope. Between the people forecasting the DOOOOOOOM! of the US, and those forecasting the DOOOOOOOM! of Canada, I figure all of North America will be Mexico by 2028.

Maybe the Indians'll take it all back.
 
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Ron in Regina

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Nope. Between the people forecasting the DOOOOOOOM! of the US, and those forecasting the DOOOOOOOM! of Canada, I figure all of North America will be Mexico by 2028.

Maybe the Indians'll take it all back.
Which Indians? The aboriginal Indians I’m assuming that you mean?

Anyway, Canada is on pause at this point, so all we can do is rehash until it is allowed to proceed again.

There’s a lot of unknowns, and we sit here and wait and watch…today Carney makes his announcement, & tomorrow probably Freeland makes her announcement, & Monday Trump may or may not make his announcement, and following that, dribbling out slowly, will be other announcements, and we will just try to dissect and figure out where we go as we’re drip fed announcements while our government is on pause…
 

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Which Indians? The aboriginal Indians I’m assuming that you mean?
Whichever Indians grab the chance.
Anyway, Canada is on pause at this point, so all we can do is rehash until it is allowed to proceed again.

There’s a lot of unknowns, and we sit here and wait and watch…today Carney makes his announcement, & tomorrow probably Freeland makes her announcement, & Monday Trump may or may not make his announcement, and following that, dribbling out slowly, will be other announcements, and we will just try to dissect and figure out where we go as we’re drip fed announcements while our government is on pause…
"My advice to you is to start drinking heavily."
--John Belushi as Bluto, Animal House
 
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Well, here we are only a few months after Halloween. Trudeau claims to be on his way out eventually, announced his intention to resign when it’s convenient for him and the liberal party, while the country waits, involuntarily

While we’re all waiting for something resembling a Team Canada approach to materialize in the looming U.S. trade-war catastrophe, let’s begin with a quick account of just how close Canada has come to failed-state status.

The House of Commons has been padlocked since Jan. 6. The successor to Canada’s disgraced prime minister will not be known until the Liberal party’s leadership vote on March 9. Within days of the House of Commons’ March 24 return, an anticipated non-confidence vote would officially dissolve Parliament, triggering an election campaign that can legally carry on for 51 days…or 39 days…or the new Liberal Leader & de facto Prime Minister might just declare this in emergency and…(it’s not like the liberals have not declared the war measures act or the emergencies act before) go off on his own tangent.

Prime Minister’s in Canada are appointed, not elected, so an unelected Mark Carney could end up being our Prime Minister in less than eight weeks…or Trudeau, if he doesn’t get his way, might just not resign, and declare an emergency (in this case this time he would declare an economic emergency), and just remain PM.

That new leader might be Mark Carney, or Chrystia Freeland, or still Justin Trudeau, & they’d be the Prime Minister.

Our prime-minister-in-waiting is Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre, but for now we’re all obliged to play along with the idea of Justin Trudeau as our PM, which is a true thing only in the strictest constitutional sense.

In the meantime, American president-elect Donald Trump has pledged to sabotage Canada’s economy by imposing a 25 per cent tariff on all Canadian exports to American markets upon his inauguration in Washington on Jan. 20.

This will immediately threaten hundreds of thousands of Canadian jobs. It won’t be until some time in May that we’ll have a genuine prime minister and a functioning Parliament, giving Trump a four-month advantage in his declared objective of exerting “economic force” to annex Canada as the 51st American state, the madhouse notion behind his pretext involving border security and drug trafficking, which Ottawa is still playing along with.

In the meantime, formulating some sort of defence falls as much to Canada’s provinces as it does to the country’s lame-duck federal government. There’s a resounding multi-partisan consensus that Trump’s grievances with Canada are concocted and contrived. That’s almost where Canadian unity ends.

A trade response would ordinarily mean retaliatory tariffs, which are constitutionally Ottawa’s prerogative, and Foreign Affairs Minister Mélanie Joly says everything should be on the table. But…

Saskatchewan Premier Scott Moe says nothing should be on the table: “Any export tariffs or restriction of products that Canadians produce and provide to anyone in the world is simply not on.”

Ontario Premier Doug Ford, head of the Council of the Federation, says those wide-open options should include shutting off energy supplies: “Depending how far this goes, we will go to the extent of cutting off their energy, going down to Michigan, going down to New York state, and over to Wisconsin.” But…

Alberta Premier Danielle Smith says that any retaliation that encumbers Alberta’s ability to sell oil and gas to American buyers would incite a “national unity crisis.” Her reasoning: “Oil and gas is owned by the provinces, principally Alberta, and we won’t stand for that. I can’t predict what Albertans would do.”

It’s in Alberta that a clear Conservative claim to the mantle of national leadership against Trump’s belligerence could easily founder. Poilievre is an Albertan, and the Conservatives out-poll the Liberals in Alberta at a wider margin than in any other province — 62.4 per cent to 12.9 per cent.

Poilievre’s response to Trump’s provocations has been measured, clear and unequivocal: “Canada will never be the 51st state. Period. We are a great and independent country. We are the best friend to the U.S.” At the same time, Poilievre has made it plain that whatever Smith or or Moe say, as prime minister he would definitely retaliate, and Canada’s energy should be on the table.

Canadian oil and gas already sells at a discount in American markets, so it makes no sense even from an American perspective to get into a tariff war, Poilievre points out: “I would say to President Trump, I will retaliate with trade tariffs against American goods that are necessary to discourage America (from) attacking our industries. I’d rather we work together, though, because if we do, we can have a bigger, stronger economy.”

Doug Ford has adopted precisely that line. So has Ottawa. Energy Minister Jonathan Wilkinson is in Washington making the case for a Canada-U.S. energy and resource alliance in the face of mounting global threats, particularly from China. But…

….but it’s not at all clear that Trump can be persuaded. “We don’t need their fuel,” Trump said last week. “We don’t need their energy. We don’t need their oil and gas. We don’t need anything that they have.”

(I don’t think that Trump understands that much of the US refining capacity is designed for Canadian heavy crude, not what much of America extracts on its own soil, but that’s a different story)

It didn’t help appearances that Smith’s travelling companion at Trump’s Mar-a-Lago resort last weekend was the reality-television investment guru Kevin O’Leary, who calls himself a Canadian when in Canada but has recently moved to Florida from Boston, the city he calls his “hometown.” O’Leary has long been advocating for some sort of North American “economic union” with a common currency and a shared Canadian-American passport.

And Smith has been lathering up her case for an Alberta oil exemption from Trump’s tariffs on the grounds that it was because of “eastern politicians” that Alberta’s hopes for the Northern Gateway pipeline to the West Coast and the Energy East pipeline to Quebec were dashed, confining Alberta’s oil and gas expansion to American buyers in the first place. It’s “outrageous” that anyone would propose retaliating against American tariffs by scaling back or shutting down American access to Alberta’s oil, she says.

That tells only half the story. The Energy East project’s profitability was based on the presumption of oil prices at $100 per barrel. TransCanada cancelled the project in 2017. As for the Northern Gateway pipeline, which would have run twinned pipes from Bruderheim, Alta. to Kitimat on the coast, at least two-thirds of B.C’s Conservative voters wanted oil tankers banned from B.C.’s north coast and the Enbridge-led project fizzled during the Harper government’s final years. The B.C. government, led by Christy Clark at the time, was against it, too.

The NDP’s Jagmeet Singh and B.C. Premier David Eby say Canada should consider blocking American access to critical minerals and other resources. B.C. Conservative Leader John Rustad says Canada should reopen trade offices in China, which is as painfully weird as Christy Clark’s claim, contradicted by the evidence of her own several public statements last year, that she’d never joined the Conservative party.

While B.C. premier, Clark signed North America’s only “Belt-and-Road” agreement with Beijing, and while her bizarre comments about her assignation with the Conservatives was what dealt her out of contention to replace Trudeau, her affection for failed Conservative leadership candidate Jean Charest, a favourite of the Chinese Communist Party, should be understood as genuine.

Lastly, as if to dispel any doubt that Trump has the market cornered on politics as infotainment, Trudeau’s personal economic adviser, Marc Carney, Team Trudeau’s pick for a successor, showed up on Comedy Central’s hipster-left The Daily Show with Jon Stewart in New York on Monday night. “I’m an outsider,” the Liberal insider’s insider told Stewart, coyly confirming his plan to take a run at it.
So here we are. It’s crazy. Will Canada, as Canada, emerge from this last decade of absolute retardedness, and in a decade still be a nation in the formal sense?
Im impressed by all the Premiers standing up and taking the power back.
 
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(For Tec. YouTube & “Pierre Poilievre questioned on EXPORT TARIFFS against Donald Trump PART 1 | January 16, 2025”)

Politicians promote bringing back pipeline project, but commercial and regulatory hurdles are high​

An infographic, originally published by The Epoch Times, illustrates that between 2015 and 2020, Canada saw the cancellation of over $176 billion in proposed resource projects, spanning liquefied natural gas, oil sands development, and major pipeline proposals—including Energy East. High-profile examples include:
  • The Frontier Oilsands Mine Project, worth $20.6 billion, shelved by Teck Resources
  • The Mackenzie Valley Gas Pipeline, valued at $16.1 billion, cancelled by Imperial Oil
  • Several LNG terminals, such as ExxonMobil’s West Coast Canada facility in British Columbia
Federal Conservative leader Pierre Poilievre also weighed in on the issue via X, writing, “At least $176 billion. That is the value of all the proposed resource projects on this map that have died under the radical anti-development agenda of the Liberal government of Trudeau, Freeland, Guilbeault & Carney. Now, we are more reliant than ever on the U.S. market.
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Ontario Premier Doug Ford, head of the Council of the Federation, says those wide-open options should include shutting off energy supplies: “Depending how far this goes, we will go to the extent of cutting off their energy, going down to Michigan, going down to New York state, and over to Wisconsin.” But…
Here is the problem, Ford, like the Laurentian Elite that he reports to, want to destroy the economy in the West. Note that there is no mention of suspending the export of auto parts to the US. Or the elimination of transfer payments to help the Alberta economy.
 
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Alberta Premier Danielle Smith said Tuesday there’s no point in Canada reviewing its free-trade agreement with the United States and Mexico until after an election, which she hopes will happen soon.
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“We need an election before any discussion of reopening,” Smith said in an interview.

Smith said the current instability with a changing Liberal leader and a minority government facing defeat, make the country a “less-than-credible” negotiating partner.
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“We can’t have one prime minister start negotiations, a second prime minister advance them, and a third prime minister try to finish the job, all within the next few months,” Smith said. “That’s silly.”
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Her Quebec counterpart, Premier François Legault, called Monday for an early review of the Canada-U.S.-Mexico Agreement (CUSMA) given the uncertainty created by U.S. President Donald Trump’s threat to levy punitive tariffs on both Canada and Mexico.

“We are scheduled to review the free trade agreement next year in 2026. We would like to bring this review sooner,” Legault said at a press conference…unfortunately, Trudeau has prorogued parliament for a Liberal Party leadership race…that can surely take place while we have an opening & functional parliament at the same time.

“(We must) remove the uncertainty, so that we know what to expect… so that businesses can invest, improve their productivity, develop new markets and are much less dependent on the United States,” said Legault.
Major North American stock exchanges such as the Dow Jones and TSX tumbled yesterday as investors braced for the trade war.

Smith said the uncertainty will continue until Canadians elect a credible prime minister to sit across the table from Trump and Mexican President Claudia Sheinbaum, who both have fresh mandates after winning elections in 2024.

“We need somebody at the table who can say, ‘I got a four-year mandate, whatever you want to deal with, you’re dealing with me’,” said Smith.
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“We don’t have that right now, and it puts us at a disadvantage.”

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau announced in January his intention to resign (without actually resigning) after the conclusion of an expedited Liberal leadership vote to determine his successor, set for March 9.
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Trudeau will still be serving out his final days in office when the tariff pause comes to an end on March 4. The next Liberal leader and prime minister will be chosen just five days later…whomever that will be.
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Meanwhile, Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre is favoured to become prime minister after the next federal election, which is scheduled for October but could come earlier as all opposition parties have committed to bring down the minority Liberal government in a non-confidence vote at the earliest opportunity.
1738807295844.jpegTrudeau has prorogued Parliament in the meantime, but a new session begins on March 24.
 
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Alberta Premier Danielle Smith said Tuesday there’s no point in Canada reviewing its free-trade agreement with the United States and Mexico until after an election, which she hopes will happen soon.
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“We need an election before any discussion of reopening,” Smith said in an interview.

Smith said the current instability with a changing Liberal leader and a minority government facing defeat, make the country a “less-than-credible” negotiating partner.
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“We can’t have one prime minister start negotiations, a second prime minister advance them, and a third prime minister try to finish the job, all within the next few months,” Smith said. “That’s silly.”
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Her Quebec counterpart, Premier François Legault, called Monday for an early review of the Canada-U.S.-Mexico Agreement (CUSMA) given the uncertainty created by U.S. President Donald Trump’s threat to levy punitive tariffs on both Canada and Mexico.

“We are scheduled to review the free trade agreement next year in 2026. We would like to bring this review sooner,” Legault said at a press conference…unfortunately, Trudeau has prorogued parliament for a Liberal Party leadership race…that can surely take place while we have an opening & functional parliament at the same time.

“(We must) remove the uncertainty, so that we know what to expect… so that businesses can invest, improve their productivity, develop new markets and are much less dependent on the United States,” said Legault.
Major North American stock exchanges such as the Dow Jones and TSX tumbled yesterday as investors braced for the trade war.

Smith said the uncertainty will continue until Canadians elect a credible prime minister to sit across the table from Trump and Mexican President Claudia Sheinbaum, who both have fresh mandates after winning elections in 2024.

“We need somebody at the table who can say, ‘I got a four-year mandate, whatever you want to deal with, you’re dealing with me’,” said Smith.
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“We don’t have that right now, and it puts us at a disadvantage.”

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau announced in January his intention to resign (without actually resigning) after the conclusion of an expedited Liberal leadership vote to determine his successor, set for March 9.
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Trudeau will still be serving out his final days in office when the tariff pause comes to an end on March 4. The next Liberal leader and prime minister will be chosen just five days later…whomever that will be.
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Meanwhile, Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre is favoured to become prime minister after the next federal election, which is scheduled for October but could come earlier as all opposition parties have committed to bring down the minority Liberal government in a non-confidence vote at the earliest opportunity.
View attachment 27347Trudeau has prorogued Parliament in the meantime, but a new session begins on March 24.
She knew and knows what's coming. I assume Hank Hill (Scott Moe) does too.

It's that or go bankrupt.

 
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I wonder what Quebec will say about this at this point in time…? The equalization dollars come from somewhere…etc…
Tell them they're fucking getting it whether they like it or not. Canada comes before Quebec. If Quebec has a problem with it tell them we'll take them seriously the moment they shut down their pipeline-fed refineries. If they won't do that then it's a "guess what, motherfuckers?" moment.
 

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Tell them they're fucking getting it whether they like it or not. Canada comes before Quebec. If Quebec has a problem with it tell them we'll take them seriously the moment they shut down their pipeline-fed refineries. If they won't do that then it's a "guess what, motherfuckers?" moment.
Under US/Canada Unification, Quebec can be set free from our responsibility.