Foxhunters defy the ban with a record turnout

[Dalreg]

What if one hunts, by stalking, uses all they take, gives offerings and respects the animal they kill, for what the animal has achieve and is now about to give? Even though that person, can easily purchase meat at the local store?

Nothing wrong with this bear. Your not wasting the kill. Hunting fox just for the sake of hunting is wrong. Same with many other animals. Out here on the prairies it is amazing at the number of carcasses left scattered around after hunting season and even other times of the year. Killing just to kill is sick.

 

[Gonzo]

In response to Colpy, I've been riding horses since a kid. But I've never hunted. I've known a few people who have. I dont think I'd want to, or could, kill an animal. It's just not for me. I do eat them though!
If I lived in a time where hunting was for survival it might be different.

 

[cortex]

You know fox hunting is also practiced here in canada. But in the canadian version only the pups are killed---and with clubs. After the baby foxes are cornered they are taught the meaning of the term blunt trauma while the crowd chants
" remember the beothuk!". Its quite a spectacle--or so ive heard.

 

[CDNBear]

Actually most of the Hunts I've seen or heard there of, have used a sent bag dragged off the morning of the Hunt.

 

[L Gilbert]

Yeah.

The first question I ask anyone who complains about hunting is "Do you eat meat?" For most, of course, the answer is "Yes". Then I lay into them with "So, you think it is morally superior to hire someone to do your killing for you in a slaughterhouse, rather than to do it yourself, killing free game in fair chase." End of discussion.

If they don't eat meat, then there is room for a decent debate on freedom, man and nature.

The problen is a largely an urban - rural one. I laughed at the guy who writes the video game column in the Globe and Mail. After Cheney accidentally shot his friend, this guy reflected on how barbaric it was for people to actually hunt when there were nice, bloodless past times like Cabella's Big Game Hunter.

Hey buddy.

Move out of Mommy's basement. Get a life.

Cheney. I remember that. "Oh, look, there's a 200 pound orange pheasant with a gun. I'm gonna shoot it."

 

[L Gilbert]

You know fox hunting is also practiced here in canada. But in the canadian version only the pups are killed---and with clubs. After the baby foxes are cornered they are taught the meaning of the term blunt trauma while the crowd chants
" remember the beothuk!". Its quite a spectacle--or so ive heard.

What's a "beothuk"?

 

[I think not]

What's a "beothuk"?

Extinct native inhabitants of Newfoundland

 

[L Gilbert]

Geeeeeeeez. Now I gotta go read up on those. Might be interesting, though. Thanx.

 

[I think not]

I'm no big fan of fox hunting. I just figure pheasant hunting will be next on the list for the do-gooders.

Oh i dunno about that Colpy, I see no particular sport in cornering a fox surrounded by a pack of dogs and "brave" men that can ride a horse through the mud. I can agree this is by no means any pressing international issue, but really, how cruel do you have to get before someone stops it?

I'll throw the cub clubbing sport in Canada, the shark fin harvesting, the whale fishing as part of something that I think should stop.

If you have to hunt for food then fine. If you hunt and place animals in a position of being tortured, then really phuck off.

There are just as equally unacceptable actions by humans towards animals as our actions against the environment.

 

[Colpy]

Geeeeeeeez. Now I gotta go read up on those. Might be interesting, though. Thanx.

Be careful.......do NOT take Pierre Berton's view that white men exterminated the Beothuk........a position that is easily proven unrealistic.

Try Frederick Rowe, Extinction: The Beothuks of Newfoundland

Unfortunately, most of the studies of the Beothuk done by REAL historians are out of print, or buried in scholarly journals in university libraries.

 

[Colpy]

Oh i dunno about that Colpy, I see no particular sport in cornering a fox surrounded by a pack of dogs and "brave" men that can ride a horse through the mud. I can agree this is by no means any pressing international issue, but really, how cruel do you have to get before someone stops it?

I'll throw the cub clubbing sport in Canada, the shark fin harvesting, the whale fishing as part of something that I think should stop.

If you have to hunt for food then fine. If you hunt and place animals in a position of being tortured, then really phuck off.

There are just as equally unacceptable actions by humans towards animals as our actions against the environment.

Yeah, I am slightly uneasy at defending the fox hunt.

At the same time, cruelty to animals is a very relative thing. Nature is exceptionally cruel. Wild animals don't die peacefully in their sleep.........they die long agonizing deaths after injury or because of disease, they are torn to bits by predators, or they starve to death. That's it. Shooting is about as good as they can hope for.

I have shot game animals, but I could just buy my food. I have shot varmits, coyotes, crows and groundhog, that I don't eat. But I don't consider that I have ever been cruel to an animal.

I met a fellow while on course from Newfoundland.......an ex-sealer no longer able to go out for fish or seal because of a back injury. One morning he showed up wearing an SPCA t-shirt, and I laughed, thinking it was a joke. Turns out he is a member.........he became slghtly miffed at me. To him, clubbing young seals to death is not cruelty............and it is not to me either.

We kill animals for a variety of reasons. To me, our responsibility is to make that death, be it by club, gun, arrow, or dog, as quick as possible.

To torture for amusement is inhumane. To kill is not necessarily inhumane.


Anyway, I'm rambling. Got a toothache.....too many ASA w/ codeine. Should say HAD a toothache.

 

[Colpy]

In response to Colpy, I've been riding horses since a kid. But I've never hunted. I've known a few people who have. I dont think I'd want to, or could, kill an animal. It's just not for me. I do eat them though!
If I lived in a time where hunting was for survival it might be different.

My son hunted untill several years ago when he wounded an animal and spent a long time recovering it.........shooting it twice more in the process.

He has not hunted since.

I was disappointed in one way...........but not in another.

It is better to be too soft-hearted than to be too hard-hearted.

 

[L Gilbert]

At the same time, cruelty to animals is a very relative thing. Nature is exceptionally cruel.

Nah. Nature just is.

Wild animals don't die peacefully in their sleep.........they die long agonizing deaths after injury or because of disease, they are torn to bits by predators, or they starve to death. That's it. Shooting is about as good as they can hope for.

Critters have different sense structures in their brains than we do, most upon injury go into shock and don't feel much of anything. Besides, they're too busy trying to survive to feel much pain.

Um, codeine is hard on livers.

 

[CDNBear]

Yeah, I am slightly uneasy at defending the fox hunt.

At the same time, cruelty to animals is a very relative thing. Nature is exceptionally cruel. Wild animals don't die peacefully in their sleep.........they die long agonizing deaths after injury or because of disease, they are torn to bits by predators, or they starve to death. That's it. Shooting is about as good as they can hope for.

I have shot game animals, but I could just buy my food. I have shot varmits, coyotes, crows and groundhog, that I don't eat. But I don't consider that I have ever been cruel to an animal.

I met a fellow while on course from Newfoundland.......an ex-sealer no longer able to go out for fish or seal because of a back injury. One morning he showed up wearing an SPCA t-shirt, and I laughed, thinking it was a joke. Turns out he is a member.........he became slghtly miffed at me. To him, clubbing young seals to death is not cruelty............and it is not to me either.

We kill animals for a variety of reasons. To me, our responsibility is to make that death, be it by club, gun, arrow, or dog, as quick as possible.

To torture for amusement is inhumane. To kill is not necessarily inhumane.


Anyway, I'm rambling. Got a toothache.....too many ASA w/ codeine. Should say HAD a toothache.

Personally, shooting a doe eyed pup in the head, always makes for better media coverage then the club, which I think is the body of the original anti movement.

My son hunted untill several years ago when he wounded an animal and spent a long time recovering it.........shooting it twice more in the process.

He has not hunted since.

I was disappointed in one way...........but not in another.

It is better to be too soft-hearted than to be too hard-hearted.

I can understand your sons displeasure, in having to track and finish what he started. That event has shattered many a hard hunter.

Please excuse a Bow hunter's melo-dramatic sniper movie quotation, but it is a creed amonst the group I hunt with. "One shot, one kill". Loosing a wounded animal in the bush, makes for long sleepless nights, frought with tears of sorrow for what you have done. It is not something I relish, therefore, if my first shot is not clear or clean, I will not take it.

That is not to say that your son did anything wrong, it is just a sitution that I tend to avoid by rule. I have had to track blood trails for hours, only to find a half dead Deer panting in a hollow. But perhaps it was my upbringing that makes it easier for me to place a knee in the rib cage and pull my knife across the neck. Thus finishing what I started. Not everyone can look into the eyes of a creature they about to kill.

 

[tamarin]

A good topic. Hunting, if practised, should be humane. Canada at least has the sense to impose restrictions as to season and limit. But I've never met a hunter who had to hunt. Eating slaughtered domestic animals is a completely different issue than hunting. An animal in the wild, having survived by its own wit and effort, isn't in the same league as one catered to on the family farm. And it's entitled to some respect for that, having achieved much more than most humans can boast in this regard.
Seal hunting ticks me. It's barbaric and something the Canadian government should have shut down years ago. It's hard to waggle a moral finger on the international stage when east coast throwbacks continue to scuttle about the iceflows each spring in search of helpless prey.
And of course, in hunting, there is the argument that the animals should be able to hunt us as well. Always made sense to me. But an animal that dares attack a human is instantly called a rogue creature and no amount of resources is too large to contain and eliminate it.
And then there is that sore spot rarely reported on concerning aboriginals- the dog killing days, where northern tribe members cull the dogs on their reserves. At least two deaths on reserves that I've noted in the last few years have been blamed on packs of roving dogs. The natives don't feed them and the starving dogs will sometimes then attack their children. I wonder why they're surprised.

 

[Devilsadvocate]

Riiight, it is in NO way easy to ride a horse. I'm sure a lot of you know that. You do not just cling onto its neck and hope for the best, if you did I think you would be making acquaintance with the ground before to long.
The law npw states that dogs may not kill the fox and it mush be shot, obviously this is probably not exactly followed BUT, at the end of the day, which would you rather. Farmers try and keep the fox population down with guns and traps, which if not done correctly will cause a slow and painful death. Or hunting in which the fox does have a slight chance of getting away and death is quick.
I'm sure I will get 'Ohhhh nnooooo the poor ickl foxie woxies' for this but hey ho.